Recipe these ingredients

C_B

2 row malt
Light wheat malt
C-60 malt

Fuggles
Nugget
EKG

The hops are pretty old, I'm assuming they're ok but weaker. So let's shoot for something fairly hoppy and if they are weak, it'll still be beer.

Recipe me something.

CurlyFat

I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

CurlyFat

Oh, I don't know your efficiency, but I always err on the low side because I've never been pissed that I accidentally made the beer too strong.

C_B

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

CurlyFat

C_B said:

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

Throw some rice hulls in too. Wheat makes me anxious without it.

C_B

DrCurly said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

Throw some rice hulls in too. Wheat makes me anxious without it.

Since I don't have any of those..... Maybe I'll to the volumes you said and grind a little more course sacrificing efficiency for no stuck sparge.

CurlyFat

C_B said:

DrCurly said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

Throw some rice hulls in too. Wheat makes me anxious without it.

Since I don't have any of those..... Maybe I'll to the volumes you said and grind a little more course sacrificing efficiency for no stuck sparge.

You'd probably be alright without them at this ratio anyway, but a coarser grind would be good insurance. Agreed.

Thym

How much do you have of the various ingredients?

C_B

Lakewood said:
How much do you have of the various ingredients?

More than 5 gallons worth?

A couple oz of each hop. 5 lbs of wheat and Mayne a half pound of C-60.

C_B

Oh, and I don't have any 2-row. I just added that because I'll need it anyway. I could use MO instead of 2-row since it has to be purchased.

Thym

C_B said:

DrCurly said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

Throw some rice hulls in too. Wheat makes me anxious without it.

Since I don't have any of those..... Maybe I'll to the volumes you said and grind a little more course sacrificing efficiency for no stuck sparge.

Soak the grain for a few hours before milling and you'll get more intact hulls. That will help a lot too

C_B

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

Throw some rice hulls in too. Wheat makes me anxious without it.

Since I don't have any of those..... Maybe I'll to the volumes you said and grind a little more course sacrificing efficiency for no stuck sparge.

Soak the grain for a few hours before milling and you'll get more intact hulls. That will help a lot too

I usually condition it. Spray some water, mix, let sit in a sealed container for a couple hours.

Thym

C_B said:

Lakewood said:
How much do you have of the various ingredients?

More than 5 gallons worth?

A couple oz of each hop. 5 lbs of wheat and Mayne a half pound of C-60.

Good deal. Try tasting some of the hops before deciding on whether to use them or not. They should taste. Well. Hoppy. Not soapy or grassy or otherwise gross or meh.

C_B

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

Lakewood said:
How much do you have of the various ingredients?

More than 5 gallons worth?

A couple oz of each hop. 5 lbs of wheat and Mayne a half pound of C-60.

Good deal. Try tasting some of the hops before deciding on whether to use them or not. They should taste. Well. Hoppy. Not soapy or grassy or otherwise gross or meh.

Good call. I also have some leaf centennial. But I'm sure those are toast. They're older and well, leaf keeps worse than pellet.

Thym

C_B said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

Throw some rice hulls in too. Wheat makes me anxious without it.

Since I don't have any of those..... Maybe I'll to the volumes you said and grind a little more course sacrificing efficiency for no stuck sparge.

Soak the grain for a few hours before milling and you'll get more intact hulls. That will help a lot too

I usually condition it. Spray some water, mix, let sit in a sealed container for a couple hours.

Cool. I'm usually far too much of a procrastinator to do it.

Thym

C_B said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

Lakewood said:
How much do you have of the various ingredients?

More than 5 gallons worth?

A couple oz of each hop. 5 lbs of wheat and Mayne a half pound of C-60.

Good deal. Try tasting some of the hops before deciding on whether to use them or not. They should taste. Well. Hoppy. Not soapy or grassy or otherwise gross or meh.

Good call. I also have some leaf centennial. But I'm sure those are toast. They're older and well, leaf keeps worse than pellet.

Taste test them too. If they taste good you can toss them in around 15 minutes or so before flameout.

Thym

Use whatever you have left of the good tasting hops either at flameout or for a dry hop. Use up the old inventory.

Jayrizzle

Lakewood said:
Use whatever you have left of the good tasting hops either at flameout or for a dry hop. Use up the old inventory.

Also add a bunch at the beginning, AAs drop with age, so you'll have to use extra. Just make sure your plan uses them all.

jeepinjeepin

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

Throw some rice hulls in too. Wheat makes me anxious without it.

Since I don't have any of those..... Maybe I'll to the volumes you said and grind a little more course sacrificing efficiency for no stuck sparge.

Soak the grain for a few hours before milling and you'll get more intact hulls. That will help a lot too

I usually condition it. Spray some water, mix, let sit in a sealed container for a couple hours.

Cool. I'm usually far too much of a procrastinator to do it.

I just don't want wet grain stuff up in my mill.

C_B

jeepinjeepin said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

Throw some rice hulls in too. Wheat makes me anxious without it.

Since I don't have any of those..... Maybe I'll to the volumes you said and grind a little more course sacrificing efficiency for no stuck sparge.

Soak the grain for a few hours before milling and you'll get more intact hulls. That will help a lot too

I usually condition it. Spray some water, mix, let sit in a sealed container for a couple hours.

Cool. I'm usually far too much of a procrastinator to do it.

I just don't want wet grain stuff up in my mill.

With conditioning the way I do it still produces plenty of dust. It isn't exactly wet.

Thym

C_B said:

jeepinjeepin said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

Throw some rice hulls in too. Wheat makes me anxious without it.

Since I don't have any of those..... Maybe I'll to the volumes you said and grind a little more course sacrificing efficiency for no stuck sparge.

Soak the grain for a few hours before milling and you'll get more intact hulls. That will help a lot too

I usually condition it. Spray some water, mix, let sit in a sealed container for a couple hours.

Cool. I'm usually far too much of a procrastinator to do it.

I just don't want wet grain stuff up in my mill.

With conditioning the way I do it still produces plenty of dust. It isn't exactly wet.

but are the hulls pliable and soft?

C_B

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

jeepinjeepin said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

Throw some rice hulls in too. Wheat makes me anxious without it.

Since I don't have any of those..... Maybe I'll to the volumes you said and grind a little more course sacrificing efficiency for no stuck sparge.

Soak the grain for a few hours before milling and you'll get more intact hulls. That will help a lot too

I usually condition it. Spray some water, mix, let sit in a sealed container for a couple hours.

Cool. I'm usually far too much of a procrastinator to do it.

I just don't want wet grain stuff up in my mill.

With conditioning the way I do it still produces plenty of dust. It isn't exactly wet.

but are the hulls pliable and soft?

ish?

Thym

C_B said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

jeepinjeepin said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:

C_B said:

DrCurly said:
I would go as follows:

8# 2-row
4# Light Wheat
.5# c60

Mash around 153-155

Use nugget to bitter, Ekg for 15m, all the fuggle at flameout.

This would make beer and is pretty much how my recipes go.

I'm not sure what my efficiency is either... But that would be a pretty good sized beer for 5 gallons. I like that mix, maybe trim it by 10%.

Throw some rice hulls in too. Wheat makes me anxious without it.

Since I don't have any of those..... Maybe I'll to the volumes you said and grind a little more course sacrificing efficiency for no stuck sparge.

Soak the grain for a few hours before milling and you'll get more intact hulls. That will help a lot too

I usually condition it. Spray some water, mix, let sit in a sealed container for a couple hours.

Cool. I'm usually far too much of a procrastinator to do it.

I just don't want wet grain stuff up in my mill.

With conditioning the way I do it still produces plenty of dust. It isn't exactly wet.

but are the hulls pliable and soft?

ish?

well... then it's effective-ish.

C_B

Oh. And US-05 in the fridge too. Still within the expiration date.

ceannt

You Have MO?
If so.... roast a pound at 320 degrees for a half hour or so.
Let it sit for a week.
Add to....
10 pounds MO
3 pounds wheat
0.75 pounds C60.
Mash at 154.
Add 2 ounces of the nugget for 60 minutes
2 ounces of the fuggles at 5 minutes.
(This is assuming the hops are a little old, and the AA is not what it used to be.)

Should have no issues with the sparge.
Do a ten minute first wort boil, during the first sparge rest.
S-04 would be better, but S-05 will be just fine

Jayrizzle

/\Do this/\, but first boil the wheat in a little water and feed it to your dogs.

ceannt

A little wheat will make it "crisp," and impart a soft maltyness. With a flavorful barley malt, this can make an exceptional beer. Great for head retention too.
I used to avoid it, until I began to delve into some of the historical German styles.

ceannt

If you really want to elevate the recipe I gave, add a pound or two of oatmeal as well.
Boil it thick, and add to the mash.
Still shouldn't have any issues with the sparge

C_B

ceannt said:
If you really want to elevate the recipe I gave, add a pound or two of oatmeal as well.
Boil it thick, and add to the mash.
Still shouldn't have any issues with the sparge

Boil oatmeal and add to the mash? Or boil oats and add it to the mash?

ceannt

Don't spend the extra money on flaked oats from a brewing supplier. .. just pick up some "old fashioned" oatmeal. Boil it just like you were fixing it for breakfast. Make it fairly thick, and let it cool to the target mash temp before you add it, and your strike water. Otherwise you have to do some tricky thermodynamics calculations

ceannt

The oats and wheat together are magical, in moderate quantities

C_B

ceannt said:
Don't spend the extra money on flaked oats from a brewing supplier. .. just pick up some "old fashioned" oatmeal. Boil it just like you were fixing it for breakfast. Make it fairly thick, and let it cool to the target mash temp before you add it, and your strike water. Otherwise you have to do some tricky thermodynamics calculations

Right. Oats. Not Oatmeal. Like Quaker old fashioned oats?

C_B

ceannt said:
The oats and wheat together are magical, in moderate quantities

I generally like both of these things.

C_B

Ok, I need to get some MO. I really want to do the thing Kenny said.

C_B

The hops don't taste/smell stale or cheesy. They may be weaker than normal but I don't think they're garbage.

Jayrizzle

C_B said:
I really want to do the thing Kenny said.

Be very careful.

Fuzzy

C_B said:
The hops don't taste/smell stale or cheesy. They may be weaker than normal but I don't think they're garbage.

malt!

C_B

ceannt said:
If you really want to elevate the recipe I gave, add a pound or two of oatmeal as well.
Boil it thick, and add to the mash.
Still shouldn't have any issues with the sparge

This still confuses me. What does boiling the oats change compared to just adding them to the mash raw/uncooked?

Jayrizzle

C_B said:

ceannt said:
If you really want to elevate the recipe I gave, add a pound or two of oatmeal as well.
Boil it thick, and add to the mash.
Still shouldn't have any issues with the sparge

This still confuses me. What does boiling the oats change compared to just adding them to the mash raw/uncooked?

It breaks them down in some way that makes the good stuff more soluble and more possible to convert the starches. And they don't have a tannin content that makes 170+ a problem

ceannt

You will get a whole lot more out of them if you boil first. Technically, they are "pre cooked"... but don't add much if you just add to the grain the way they are.
You used to be able to buy oat malt. That stuff was awesome, and is what should really go into an oatmeal stout. But it is no longer commercially available. Sad really.

C_B

Found some special B in the freezer also.

C_B

10lbs MO
1lb MO oven roasted
2lbs wheat
4oz of c60
4oz of c15.

That's the grain bill. I font really know anything about special B so I'll leave it out unless someone says otherwise. Also have midnight wheat, but I can't see what that would add.

C_B

The grain is ground. No turning back now.

C_B

Also, I tried conditioning by dumping all of the grain (13.5lbs) in a bucket then dumping about a quart of water in the bucket, mixing with a big spoon then putting the lid on and rolling it around to mix further. Then let sit for about 3 hours. I'm not sure, but it looks like a wicked good grind.

CurlyFat

C_B said:
Also, I tried conditioning by dumping all of the grain (13.5lbs) in a bucket then dumping about a quart of water in the bucket, mixing with a big spoon then putting the lid on and rolling it around to mix further. Then let sit for about 3 hours. I'm not sure, but it looks like a wicked good grind.

I never did condition my grain, and always got a good grind. What drove you to start conditioning?

C_B

DrCurly said:

C_B said:
Also, I tried conditioning by dumping all of the grain (13.5lbs) in a bucket then dumping about a quart of water in the bucket, mixing with a big spoon then putting the lid on and rolling it around to mix further. Then let sit for about 3 hours. I'm not sure, but it looks like a wicked good grind.

I never did condition my grain, and always got a good grind. What drove you to start conditioning?

I'm using the cheapest possible mill. I can set it to leave 25% unground or set it to flour.

CurlyFat

C_B said:

DrCurly said:

C_B said:
Also, I tried conditioning by dumping all of the grain (13.5lbs) in a bucket then dumping about a quart of water in the bucket, mixing with a big spoon then putting the lid on and rolling it around to mix further. Then let sit for about 3 hours. I'm not sure, but it looks like a wicked good grind.

I never did condition my grain, and always got a good grind. What drove you to start conditioning?

I'm using the cheapest possible mill. I can set it to leave 25% unground or set it to flour.

Ah. That makes sense.

C_B

.

C_B

C_B said:
10lbs MO
1lb MO oven roasted
2lbs wheat
4oz of c60
4oz of c15.
8oz oats

1.051 in 5.25 ish gallons.

ceannt

Cool.

C_B

C_B said:

C_B said:
10lbs MO
1lb MO oven roasted
2lbs wheat
4oz of c60
4oz of c15.
8oz oats

1.051 in 5.25 ish gallons.

Plugged it all in. This calculates to a 52% efficiency.... I think.

Fuzzy

C_B said:

C_B said:

C_B said:
10lbs MO
1lb MO oven roasted
2lbs wheat
4oz of c60
4oz of c15.
8oz oats

1.051 in 5.25 ish gallons.

Plugged it all in. This calculates to a 52% efficiency.... I think.

rich prick.

Thym

Fence money buys a lot of grain

C_B

Asshats. Ya'll a bunch of asshats. Someone math that and tell me I'm wrong.

C_B

And 96 IBUs :O

I was shooting for 70ish and hoping for at least 35 if the hops were garbage.

C_B

Boy, I really want to know how this beer turns out...

CurlyFat

C_B said:

C_B said:

C_B said:
10lbs MO
1lb MO oven roasted
2lbs wheat
4oz of c60
4oz of c15.
8oz oats

1.051 in 5.25 ish gallons.

Plugged it all in. This calculates to a 52% efficiency.... I think.

That seems wrong. I was thinking it was the low side of my system, which was 75% or so. But I haven't calculated that in many years.

Thym

C_B said:
Asshats. Ya'll a bunch of asshats. Someone math that and tell me I'm wrong.

I shall do this.

CurlyFat

Lakewood said:

C_B said:
Asshats. Ya'll a bunch of asshats. Someone math that and tell me I'm wrong.

I shall do this.

What do you know about brewing?

C_B

DrCurly said:

Lakewood said:

C_B said:
Asshats. Ya'll a bunch of asshats. Someone math that and tell me I'm wrong.

I shall do this.

What do you know about brewing?

He runs a forum or something.

Thym

it's about 56% efficiency using my estimates for ideal extraction and a batch size of 5.25 gal.

CurlyFat

Lakewood said:
it's about 56% efficiency using my estimates for ideal extraction and a batch size of 5.25 gal.

Huh. Maybe my efficiency sucks.

Thym

DrCurly said:

Lakewood said:
it's about 56% efficiency using my estimates for ideal extraction and a batch size of 5.25 gal.

Huh. Maybe my efficiency sucks.

maybe.

C_B

Well damn. I thought the crush looked pretty stellar. And the base grain was newly purchased. And the mash wash in the 1.15 qts/lb range. 152 mash temp. I don't know pH. I batch sparged with room temp water because the end of the mash snuck up on me and screw waiting for that water to heat up. Next time I'll try stirring more and sparging with appropriately heated sparge water.

Thym

C_B said:
Well damn. I thought the crush looked pretty stellar. And the base grain was newly purchased. And the mash wash in the 1.15 qts/lb range. 152 mash temp. I don't know pH. I batch sparged with room temp water because the end of the mash snuck up on me and screw waiting for that water to heat up. Next time I'll try stirring more and sparging with appropriately heated sparge water.

i wouldn't worry about it.

fence monies.

C_B

1.006. Very hoppy.

C_B

Fuck.

Thym

Nice Pelicle

Thym

For a hoppy ale that's basically disaster.

Fuzzy

Cpt Snarklepants said:
Nice Pelicle

it is.

Fuzzy

carb that ho up now and drink it all within two weeks.

Fuzzy

or let it sit for another month and pour 1/2 gallon of super high grav stoutish recipe wort

Fuzzy

add some brett and see what comes of it.

C_B

Or dump it. Cuz that's what is going to happen.