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Here's the link to the Hopville recipe. I hate the copying and pasting from hopville. So click the dang link.
What I can't figure out is when I double everything in this Bell's Two Hearted clone I get 42 IBUs where the stated recipe calls out 64 IBUs. So I adjusted the above recipe to 48 at least. Still not really enough, but I'm playing with it.
Thoughts on the IBU shenanigans?"On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants -
the link provided took me to a very broken page in hopville, with no recipe... no bueno.
i put my thoughts about the ibu discrepancy on the other thread.The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny -
Lakewood said:
the link provided took me to a very broken page in hopville, with no recipe... no bueno.
i put my thoughts about the ibu discrepancy on the other thread.
Oups. Link fixed. I should have caught that...
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in what world does centennial have AA of 5? not the one i live in. i think that's your problem.
also, i would cut the bittering hops in half and convert them them to mad flava hops. then toss in even more flavor hops to get the ibu's over 70. that's just me though. i mean, if you wanna play with a big dog like centennial, don't leash him up, let him run wild.
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frydogbrews said:
in what world does centennial have AA of 5? not the one i live in. i think that's your problem.
also, i would cut the bittering hops in half and convert them them to mad flava hops. then toss in even more flavor hops to get the ibu's over 70. that's just me though. i mean, if you wanna play with a big dog like centennial, don't leash him up, let him run wild.
Yep. The ones I have are 11.5%.... I like where your head's at."On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants -
Really, flava flava is what I'm after. Not bitter bitter."On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
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C_dubbs said:
Really, flava flava is what I'm after. Not bitter bitter.
then crank it down to one ounce bittering hops and go from there. don't increase your 20 minute addition any either. increase 15 a little and ten minute A LOT! -
but really, once you change those AA levels, your IBU's are going to shoot through the roof.
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frydogbrews said:
but really, once you change those AA levels, your IBU's are going to shoot through the roof.
Yup ....
This is why I dislike software that uses n ingredient data base .... they are so often wrong .... even with grain .....
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yeah, but hopville makes it very easy to change, its not a static value.
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frydogbrews said:
yeah, but hopville makes it very easy to change, its not a static value.
This. I was too lazy to get off my butt and look in the freezer when I plugged it in."On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants -
frydogbrews said:
yeah, but hopville makes it very easy to change, its not a static value.
yeah, but a whole lot of folks don't bother to make changes.........
see the post above.......Never attribute to malice, that which can adequately be explained by stupidity. -
and therein lies the danger.......
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my point is.... if you have to look everything up to check anyway..... and change the dang numbers if necessary... why have the database at all???????Never attribute to malice, that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.
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because i don't know how to calculate ibu's, and even if i did, I would have to create a database to put the recipe in. Todd whatshisname has already done that with hopville as well as provide me with an online backup to store me recipes in.
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frydogbrews said:
because i don't know how to calculate ibu's, and even if i did, I would have to create a database to put the recipe in. Todd whatshisname has already done that with hopville as well as provide me with an online backup to store me recipes in.
on top of that, its free.
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smarter not harder old man.
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Ha!
That's why I made my spreadsheet .... but I enter all ingredient data my self .... that way I know its right!Never attribute to malice, that which can adequately be explained by stupidity. -
Altered... Now its at 72.3 IBUs. Crap, I think that's enough. And I'm going to need more hops.... As is I have enough for the boil. No more. But, I'm thinking about using my false bottom for this one since the boil will be all leaf hops. Then get some pellet or whatever for the dry hops."On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
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now its sounding like a fairly tasty beer!
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frydogbrews said:
now its sounding like a fairly tasty beer!
i would just bag all those leaf hops, but i don't have a false bottom, only a real bottom.
That's probably a good idea if for nothing else to squeeze out all the worty goodness. I kinda wanted to try it see how clear I can get it using the same recirc to chill method but using leaf hops and a false bottom to filter out the break material."On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants -
How much should I expect to lose from a half pound of leaf hops?"On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
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C_dubbs said:frydogbrews said:
now its sounding like a fairly tasty beer!
i would just bag all those leaf hops, but i don't have a false bottom, only a real bottom.
That's probably a good idea if for nothing else to squeeze out all the worty goodness. I kinda wanted to try it see how clear I can get it using the same recirc to chill method but using leaf hops and a false bottom to filter out the break material.
if you plan on dry hopping anyway, you'll end up with a haze from that. bag em up and squeeze every drop out.The pinnacle of lame and awesome in one singular moment. -Lake -
C_dubbs said:
How much should I expect to lose from a half pound of leaf hops?
from a half pound, without any downward pressure to squish it out, just guessing i would say at least a half gallon, but probably more. and, especially with later additions, that's a bunch of your hop flavor stuck in there.
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frydogbrews said:C_dubbs said:
How much should I expect to lose from a half pound of leaf hops?
from a half pound, without any downward pressure to squish it out, just guessing i would say at least a half gallon, but probably more. and, especially with later additions, that's a bunch of your hop flavor stuck in there.
don't forget to dry hop it around 4-5 days after ferments starts. you want a little fermentation to be going when you dry hop for maximum nose.
Oh. I'm surprised its that much... I'll reevaluate that idea."On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants -
Mmk. This one is up next. What kind of yeast shall I use? American Ale 1272 plugged in now. But I prefer White Labs or dry. Maybe S04?"On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
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Or I could do a split batch again. WLP001 in one bucket and WLP007 in the other. What else could I compare?"On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
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And since I forgot to FWH the Pale Ale I did last I'm thinking about that here."On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
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Malt & Fermentables
% LB OZ °L PPG
52% 12 0 Briess 2 Row Pale Malt 2° 34
22% 5 0 Briess DME Golden Light 5° 43
17% 4 0 American Vienna 4° 33
4% 1 0 American Crystal 20L 20° 34
4% 1 0 Briess Carapils Mash 1° 34
Specific Gravity
1.064 OG
(1.057 to 1.067)
15.7° Plato
1.017 FG
(1.014 to 1.018)
4.3° Plato
Color
7° SRM
13° EBC
Gold to Copper
Mash Efficiency
70 %
Hops
Use Time OZ Hop Variety AA » IBU
FWH 20 min 1 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 13.3
boil 20 min 1.75 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 23.3
boil 15 min 1 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 10.9
boil 5 min 2 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 8.8
boil 1 min 3 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 2.8
59.1 IBU
Alcohol
6.3% ABV
5% ABW
So here is after I changed to a FWH. The IBUs should actually be closer to 70."On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants -
C_dubbs said:
Malt & Fermentables
% LB OZ °L PPG
52% 12 0 Briess 2 Row Pale Malt 2° 34
22% 5 0 Briess DME Golden Light 5° 43
17% 4 0 American Vienna 4° 33
4% 1 0 American Crystal 20L 20° 34
4% 1 0 Briess Carapils Mash 1° 34
Specific Gravity
1.064 OG
(1.057 to 1.067)
15.7° Plato
1.017 FG
(1.014 to 1.018)
4.3° Plato
Color
7° SRM
13° EBC
Gold to Copper
Mash Efficiency
70 %
Hops
Use Time OZ Hop Variety AA » IBU
FWH 20 min 1 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 13.3
boil 20 min 1.75 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 23.3
boil 15 min 1 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 10.9
boil 5 min 2 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 8.8
boil 1 min 3 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 2.8
59.1 IBU
Alcohol
6.3% ABV
5% ABW
So here is after I changed to a FWH. The IBUs should actually be closer to 70.
To clarify.... 70 IBUs calculated traditionally. More like 59.1 IBUs to taste. Thoughts on the yeast selection?"On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants -
C_B said:
Or I could do a split batch again. WLP001 in one bucket and WLP007 in the other. What else could I compare?
Yeah this question never got answered.
C_B said:And since I forgot to FWH the Pale Ale I did last I'm thinking about that here.
Oh right. This is the exact post where this entire thread went off the rails."On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants -
C_B said:
Malt & Fermentables
% LB OZ °L PPG
52% 12 0 Briess 2 Row Pale Malt 2° 34
22% 5 0 Briess DME Golden Light 5° 43
17% 4 0 American Vienna 4° 33
4% 1 0 American Crystal 20L 20° 34
4% 1 0 Briess Carapils Mash 1° 34
Specific Gravity
1.064 OG
(1.057 to 1.067)
15.7° Plato
1.017 FG
(1.014 to 1.018)
4.3° Plato
Color
7° SRM
13° EBC
Gold to Copper
Mash Efficiency
70 %
Hops
Use Time OZ Hop Variety AA » IBU
FWH 20 min 1 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 13.3
boil 20 min 2 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 23.3
boil 15 min 1 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 10.9
boil 5 min 2 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 8.8
boil 1 min 3 Centennial ~ leaf 11.5 » 2.8
59.1 IBU
Alcohol
6.3% ABV
5% ABW
I'm brewing this tomorrow. Except I'm going with pellet hops instead of leaf. my system can handle pellets. I don't feel like experimenting here. I just want beer.
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jlw said:C_B said:
I bought 001 and 007 I think. Like every other planned brewday this one didn't get off the ground. X(
I even thought it would.
001 is one of my other favorites. I used to use it all the time until I realized us-05 was cheaper by $6 and was great to use.
Ah. Well I'll keep some 001 when I toss it in. The DME for the starter is cheap. And frankly, making starters triples the amount of brewing I do per year. I enjoy it.
"On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants -
Secret with a stupid thick mash ......
stir .... stir .... stir ....
Like every 10 minutes ... and let it mash for 90 minutes
if you had a giant stirplate that could stir it slow for the entire time ... even betterNever attribute to malice, that which can adequately be explained by stupidity. -
ceannt said:
Secret with a stupid thick mash ......
stir .... stir .... stir ....
Like every 10 minutes ... and let it mash for 90 minutes
if you had a giant stirplate that could stir it slow for the entire time ... even better
Well that would be considerably more stirring than the none that I did."On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants -
C_B said:ceannt said:
Secret with a stupid thick mash ......
stir .... stir .... stir ....
Like every 10 minutes ... and let it mash for 90 minutes
if you had a giant stirplate that could stir it slow for the entire time ... even better
Well that would be considerably more stirring than the none that I did.
oops....
well.... for future reference..... STIR!Never attribute to malice, that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.
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