apple ale?
  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    Anybody tried these apple ales that around in the stores now? What do you think they are? I haven't tried one, but i guess they are apple flavored blonde ale? like a strawberry blonde, but with apple? I plan on trying one at some point in the near future.
  • jeepinjeepinjeepinjeepin
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    Bud Black Crown + Apple juice?
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  • jeepinjeepinjeepinjeepin
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    I had a taste of the Redd's. Way too sweet.
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  • ThymThym
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    i've been seeing more ciders, but i haven't noticed apple ale. i'll look for it... maybe i'll try it... depends if it looks like swill or not.
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  • jeepinjeepinjeepinjeepin
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    Craft cider good. Macro cider ok. Macro apple flavored beer bad.
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  • ThymThym
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    jeepinjeepin said:

    Craft cider good. Macro cider ok. Macro apple flavored beer bad.



    yeah, that pretty much sums up my expectations.
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  • C_BC_B
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    jeepinjeepin said:

    Craft cider good. Macro cider ok. Macro apple flavored beer bad.



    Basically this. I've had a taste of the Redd's Apple Ale. It says "Brewed like an ale" on the label, but I'm not sure what they're marketing for here... A bit too sweet in my opinion. Not crazy sweet, just a bit over the top. And I thought it tasted thin as well.
    So yeah, I guess a blond ale with some apple flavoring and back sweetened to get the chicks to like it is probably the process.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Yeah .... I saw some of this ....
    And thought, this actually has the potential to be really good .... but I bet its not ...
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I have little faith in commercial brewers to do something like this right ......
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    one of my co-workers says he loves em. based on the other drinks/'beer' that he likes, i refuse to try it.
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  • C_BC_B
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    FromZwolle said:

    one of my co-workers says he loves em. based on the other drinks/'beer' that he likes, i refuse to try it.


    Seems legit.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    C_B said:

    FromZwolle said:

    one of my co-workers says he loves em. based on the other drinks/'beer' that he likes, i refuse to try it.


    Seems legit.


    he drinks like a girl. the only beer he tolerates (doesn't actually like) is miller lite. basically, if he likes it, i won't.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    ceannt said:

    Yeah .... I saw some of this ....
    And thought, this actually has the potential to be really good .... but I bet its not ...



    Yeah, has been my main line of thinking
  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    frydogbrews said:

    ceannt said:

    Yeah .... I saw some of this ....
    And thought, this actually has the potential to be really good .... but I bet its not ...



    Yeah, has been my main line of thinking


    just brew some graff. done and done.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FromZwolle said:

    frydogbrews said:

    ceannt said:

    Yeah .... I saw some of this ....
    And thought, this actually has the potential to be really good .... but I bet its not ...



    Yeah, has been my main line of thinking


    just brew some graff. done and done.


    Yup ....
    or some of my holiday hooch ...
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  • jeepinjeepinjeepinjeepin
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    My wife can tolerate Redd's which means sweet and no yeast or alcohol presence.
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  • jlwjlw
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    I have assumed it will be gross based on te commercials so I refuse to try it.
  • jlwjlw
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    Those douche bags contemplating what to drink getting hit in the head with an apple deserve a concusion and man card revocation.

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  • ceanntceannt
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    jlw said:

    Those douche bags contemplating what to drink getting hit in the head with an apple deserve a concusion and man card revocation.



    Pretty much ...
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  • CurlyFatCurlyFat
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    Lotsa noses in the air in here.... B-)

    But...I haven't tried one yet, either. I'm guessing it's a "malt beverage" with apple flavor. I'm the anti-snob beer snob and these scare me. Maybe I'll try it next week...you know...for research...


    I took a short one a couple hours ago. It was nice. --
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  • C_BC_B
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    DrCurly said:

    Lotsa noses in the air in here.... B-)

    But...I haven't tried one yet, either. I'm guessing it's a "malt beverage" with apple flavor. I'm the anti-snob beer snob and these scare me. Maybe I'll try it next week...you know...for research...



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  • ceanntceannt
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    DrCurly said:

    Lotsa noses in the air in here.... B-)

    But...I haven't tried one yet, either. I'm guessing it's a "malt beverage" with apple flavor. I'm the anti-snob beer snob and these scare me. Maybe I'll try it next week...you know...for research...



    they should scare you........
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  • scoobscoob
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    I saw these the other day and the packaging seemed eerily like red dog beer, this immediately brought on a flashback to all the wretching that came after several pitchers of red dog and about a full bottle of jäger, oddly, I still enjoy jäger after a big meal, the red dog, not so much.

    So no redd for me, it might be fantastic, but the packaging scares me.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    scoob said:

    I saw these the other day and the packaging seemed eerily like red dog beer, this immediately brought on a flashback to all the wretching that came after several pitchers of red dog and about a full bottle of jäger, oddly, I still enjoy jäger after a big meal, the red dog, not so much.

    So no redd for me, it might be fantastic, but the packaging scares me.



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  • ceanntceannt
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    Ha! I had a similar experience many years ago with Rolling Rock .... green bottles still kinda make me sick at my stomach ....
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  • ThymThym
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    with all of this BS i might have to try this crap just to shut you guys up.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Lakewood said:

    with all of this BS i might have to try this crap just to shut you guys up.



    I think you should
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  • ThymThym
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    I'm sure you do.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    Lakewood said:

    with all of this BS i might have to try this crap just to shut you guys up.



    make sure to buy a whole case of it.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FromZwolle said:

    Lakewood said:

    with all of this BS i might have to try this crap just to shut you guys up.



    make sure to buy a whole case of it.


    This .... don't want to base an opinion from just one bottle
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  • jlwjlw
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    Lakewood said:

    I'm sure you do.



    Double dog dare.
  • C_BC_B
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    Lakewood said:

    with all of this BS i might have to try this crap just to shut you guys up.


    You won't do it.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    well somebody needs to try the crap

    Next time i see it out, i'll pick up a sixer. When i hate it, i can give the remaining 5 to the undergrads, they'll prolly drink it.
  • jlwjlw
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    frydogbrews said:

    well somebody needs to try the crap

    Next time i see it out, i'll pick up a sixer. When i hate it, i can give the remaining 5 to the undergrads, they'll prolly drink it.


    you know they will!
  • ceanntceannt
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    frydogbrews said:

    well somebody needs to try the crap

    Next time i see it out, i'll pick up a sixer. When i hate it, i can give the remaining 5 to the undergrads, they'll prolly drink it.



    they will drink anything......
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    It's fun too because i think i get to throw an apple at their heads first.
  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    frydogbrews said:

    It's fun too because i think i get to throw an apple at their heads first.



    pretty sure that's in the last paragraph of the constitution.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i might buy the wife a six pack next time i'm at the store. that way i can try a sip and not have to drink the whole bottle.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    frydogbrews said:

    It's fun too because i think i get to throw an apple at their heads first.



    of course......
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  • LothosLothos
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    you know i tryed it and decided that if i want an apple flavored drink

    I'LL STICK TO CIDER

    YUCK DONT BOTHER WITH IT
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  • scoobscoob
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    ceannt said:

    FromZwolle said:

    Lakewood said:

    with all of this BS i might have to try this crap just to shut you guys up.



    make sure to buy a whole case of it.


    This .... don't want to base an opinion from just one six pack

    Fixed
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  • C_BC_B
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    I've tried the Redd's stuff. It's meh. I'm with Lothos on this, I'll stick to cider. But if somebody has it and are offering it to me, I'll drink it.
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  • jlwjlw
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    Ill be patiently waiting for lake's full case review.
  • ceanntceannt
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    jlw said:

    Ill be patiently waiting for lake's full case review.



    Complete with detailed tasting notes of course ....
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  • jlwjlw
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    ceannt said:

    jlw said:

    Ill be patiently waiting for lake's full case review.



    Complete with detailed tasting notes of course ....

    And best of all..... A drunken rant.
  • ThymThym
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    Lothos said:

    you know i tryed it and decided that if i want an apple flavored drink

    I'LL STICK TO CIDER

    YUCK DONT BOTHER WITH IT



    im pretty sure that will be my take away as well. but i can't let these asshats double dog dare me without following through. rules of the internet ya' know.
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  • ThymThym
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    jlw said:

    ceannt said:

    jlw said:

    Ill be patiently waiting for lake's full case review.



    Complete with detailed tasting notes of course ....

    And best of all..... A drunken rant.


    that would be curly. my rants are rarely drunken.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Lakewood said:

    Lothos said:

    you know i tryed it and decided that if i want an apple flavored drink

    I'LL STICK TO CIDER

    YUCK DONT BOTHER WITH IT



    im pretty sure that will be my take away as well. but i can't let these asshats double dog dare me without following through. rules of the internet ya' know.


    You got that right!
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  • ceanntceannt
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    ..... and we need video
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FFor documentation and all ... ;)
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  • ThymThym
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    ceannt said:

    ..... and we need video



    ok... i'll do a live web cast if people will show up for it. not going to record it - we already have curly's drunken ramblings.

    how about next friday? 6pm PST.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    ..... and we need video



    ok... i'll do a live web cast if people will show up for it. not going to record it - we already have curly's drunken ramblings.

    how about next friday? 6pm PST.


    Yer on!
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  • scoobscoob
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    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    ..... and we need video



    ok... i'll do a live web cast if people will show up for it. not going to record it - we already have curly's drunken ramblings.

    how about next friday? 6pm PST.


    Hmmmm unless I can stream it on the phone I'm gonna miss it.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    ..... and we need video



    ok... i'll do a live web cast if people will show up for it. not going to record it - we already have curly's drunken ramblings.

    how about next friday? 6pm PST.


    I'll be at the lake. Just post a damn video!
  • ThymThym
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    frydogbrews said:

    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    ..... and we need video



    ok... i'll do a live web cast if people will show up for it. not going to record it - we already have curly's drunken ramblings.

    how about next friday? 6pm PST.


    I'll be at the lake. Just post a damn video!


    live or nuthin'
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Only if someone throws an apple at your head ...... I suggest this guy named Paplebon ...
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    ..... and we need video



    ok... i'll do a live web cast if people will show up for it. not going to record it - we already have curly's drunken ramblings.

    how about next friday? 6pm PST.


    do it. i should be free around that time.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    ..... and we need video



    ok... i'll do a live web cast if people will show up for it. not going to record it - we already have curly's drunken ramblings.

    how about next friday? 6pm PST.

    That's a possibility. If I'm around I'll hop on. Maybe even join the webcast.
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  • jlwjlw
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    C_B said:

    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    ..... and we need video



    ok... i'll do a live web cast if people will show up for it. not going to record it - we already have curly's drunken ramblings.

    how about next friday? 6pm PST.

    That's a possibility. If I'm around I'll hop on. Maybe even join the webcast.

    Sounds kinky.....meow
  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    Hard Cider is to Apple Ale as:
    a) Wine is to Night Train
    b) Beer is to Honey Brown
    c) Cheese is to Velveeta
    d) Sex is to Masturbation
    e) Glenlivet is to a Plastic Jug of apple flavored vodka


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  • ThymThym
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    I'm not trying velveeta.
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  • CurlyFatCurlyFat
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    Someone record his live stream, please?!


    I took a short one a couple hours ago. It was nice. --
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  • ThymThym
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    DrCurly said:

    Someone record his live stream, please?!



    you got somewhere to be?
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    Lakewood said:

    I'm not trying velveeta.



    but the night train is all good?
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    DrCurly said:

    Someone record his live stream, please?!



    dr jerry's? that might actually make network tv as the next reality red neck show.
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    Lakewood said:

    I'm not trying velveeta.



    Melt a block of it and mix in a jar of salsa. It's amazingly good if you're drunk and or high.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Dr_Jerryrigger said:

    Lakewood said:

    I'm not trying velveeta.



    Melt a block of it and mix in a jar of salsa. It's amazingly good if you're drunk and or high.

    This is fact.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Dr_Jerryrigger said:

    Lakewood said:

    I'm not trying velveeta.



    Melt a block of it and mix in a jar of salsa. It's amazingly good if you're drunk and or high.


    But kinda meh if you're not ...
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  • ThymThym
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    You can also make a similar dish with milk, flour, cheddar and salsa.

    Its way better. Regardless of your disposition.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Lakewood said:

    You can also make a similar dish with milk, flour, cheddar and salsa.

    Its way better. Regardless of your disposition.



    this....
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    Lakewood said:

    You can also make a similar dish with milk, flour, cheddar and salsa.

    Its way better. Regardless of your disposition.



    i'm into food that tastes good sober.
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    FromZwolle said:

    Lakewood said:

    You can also make a similar dish with milk, flour, cheddar and salsa.

    Its way better. Regardless of your disposition.



    i'm into food that tastes good sober.


    Food that is good sober is harder to make when you're not.
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    ceannt said:

    Dr_Jerryrigger said:

    Lakewood said:

    I'm not trying velveeta.



    Melt a block of it and mix in a jar of salsa. It's amazingly good if you're drunk and or high.


    But kinda meh if you're not ...


    It's also a requirement at neighborhood parties in suburban Texas.... so is being meh
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  • ThymThym
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    FromZwolle said:

    Lakewood said:

    You can also make a similar dish with milk, flour, cheddar and salsa.

    Its way better. Regardless of your disposition.



    i'm into food that tastes good sober.


    oh, i think this is good sober. love it really. i dont make it often since it is a heart attack waiting to happen, but it's yummy.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Dr_Jerryrigger said:

    ceannt said:

    Dr_Jerryrigger said:

    Lakewood said:

    I'm not trying velveeta.



    Melt a block of it and mix in a jar of salsa. It's amazingly good if you're drunk and or high.


    But kinda meh if you're not ...


    It's also a requirement at neighborhood parties in suburban Texas.... so is being meh


    Ha! Around here its cream cheese and salsa .....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Going to a block party tonight ... wish I had a bunch of ghost peppers to stir into the batch that will invariably be there .....

    C_B
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  • ceanntceannt
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    ..... and sit back and watch the fireworks ....
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  • ThymThym
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    ceannt said:

    Going to a block party tonight ... wish I had a bunch of ghost peppers to stir into the batch that will invariably be there .....



    only if you eat it.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    ..... and sit back and watch the fireworks ....



    there would be explosions for sure, but they'd be confined to the bathroom. 8-X
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    FromZwolle said:

    ceannt said:

    ..... and sit back and watch the fireworks ....



    there would be explosions for sure, but they'd be confined to the bathroom. 8-X


    or not.... :-O
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    After a long hiatus from the forum, I hate to jump in here and actually post about the original post but,... I tried the Red Apple Ale in Florida. I asked a bartender about it and he gave my wife and I a sample pour. It is awful. It's not beer, or at least the taste does not resemble beer. It tastes a lot like a kids apple drink, but slightly spiked. I'd be surprised if it actually has apple in it aside from apple extract flavor. Don't waste your money trying it, more money has gone into marketing than brewing.
  • ceanntceannt
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    Benvarine said:

    After a long hiatus from the forum, I hate to jump in here and actually post about the original post but,... I tried the Red Apple Ale in Florida. I asked a bartender about it and he gave my wife and I a sample pour. It is awful. It's not beer, or at least the taste does not resemble beer. It tastes a lot like a kids apple drink, but slightly spiked. I'd be surprised if it actually has apple in it aside from apple extract flavor. Don't waste your money trying it, more money has gone into marketing than brewing.



    kind of what I figured....

    Oh... and welcome back!
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  • ThymThym
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    ceannt said:

    Benvarine said:

    After a long hiatus from the forum, I hate to jump in here and actually post about the original post but,... I tried the Red Apple Ale in Florida. I asked a bartender about it and he gave my wife and I a sample pour. It is awful. It's not beer, or at least the taste does not resemble beer. It tastes a lot like a kids apple drink, but slightly spiked. I'd be surprised if it actually has apple in it aside from apple extract flavor. Don't waste your money trying it, more money has gone into marketing than brewing.



    kind of what I figured....

    Oh... and welcome back!


    Yay, I'm off the hook. I'm not drinking this garbage.
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  • jlwjlw
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    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    Benvarine said:

    After a long hiatus from the forum, I hate to jump in here and actually post about the original post but,... I tried the Red Apple Ale in Florida. I asked a bartender about it and he gave my wife and I a sample pour. It is awful. It's not beer, or at least the taste does not resemble beer. It tastes a lot like a kids apple drink, but slightly spiked. I'd be surprised if it actually has apple in it aside from apple extract flavor. Don't waste your money trying it, more money has gone into marketing than brewing.



    kind of what I figured....

    Oh... and welcome back!


    Yay, I'm off the hook. I'm not drinking this garbage.


    Oh no. Your drinking the whole damn case mister. You promised.
  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    jlw said:

    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    Benvarine said:

    After a long hiatus from the forum, I hate to jump in here and actually post about the original post but,... I tried the Red Apple Ale in Florida. I asked a bartender about it and he gave my wife and I a sample pour. It is awful. It's not beer, or at least the taste does not resemble beer. It tastes a lot like a kids apple drink, but slightly spiked. I'd be surprised if it actually has apple in it aside from apple extract flavor. Don't waste your money trying it, more money has gone into marketing than brewing.



    kind of what I figured....

    Oh... and welcome back!


    Yay, I'm off the hook. I'm not drinking this garbage.


    Oh no. Your drinking the whole damn case mister. You promised.


    Yeah Lake, he's got you there, so make like a 17 year old girl and get drinking.
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  • ThymThym
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    No.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Wimp
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  • ThymThym
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    ceannt said:

    Wimp



    my curiosity has been quenched by Ben. I no longer have any need to spend money on this quest.

    If you send me a bottle, I'll drink it. But i'm not going to pay for it. ;)
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 53,828
    Wimp
    Never attribute to malice, that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.
  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 53,828
    But seriously .... I don't blame you a bit .... just sounds nasty .....
    Never attribute to malice, that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.
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