burnt honey ale
  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    This discussion was created from comments split from: TKT - No Holds Barred.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    has anyone used burnt honey?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FromZwolle said:

    has anyone used burnt honey?



    No.... but I want to ...
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i think it would be great in a dark enlgish ale.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    and i figure that you would be able to use the cheap storebought honey, since it's going to get cooked to death.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FromZwolle said:

    i think it would be great in a dark enlgish ale.



    Mmmmmmmm.... a big strong ale with some chocolate malt ... and dark crystal .... damn that sounds yummy .......
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    ceannt said:

    FromZwolle said:

    i think it would be great in a dark enlgish ale.



    Mmmmmmmm.... a big strong ale with some chocolate malt ... and dark crystal .... damn that sounds yummy .......


    yep.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    with lots of fuggles.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    late-ish in the boil.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Well yeah ...
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    dang, now i want to brew this tomorrow.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    From what I have heard ..... don't burn the honey inside .... use a pot 10 times too big... and wait til a frost (bees)
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    From what I have heard ..... don't burn the honey inside .... use a pot 10 times too big... and wait til a frost (bees)



    i've heard the first two things as well. good call on the bees, though.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I've heard rumors that hundreds of the little bastards show up..... really pissed that you are burning the shit out of their hard work .....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Shit ..... now you have me wondering what the burnt honey would be like in my cider stuff ....
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    Shit ..... now you have me wondering what the burnt honey would be like in my cider stuff ....



    yummy.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i should head over to hopville
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    toy around with my burnt honey recipe
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    really plan out what to get from the store.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    done and done .
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    whaddya know? i didn't make a list and i forgot to grab hops! X(
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    and of course i don't have fuggles.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    thought i had willamette, but nope. all gone.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    so i'm going with a 40 minute addition of nugget and a 20 minute addition of goldings.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    not what i originally had in mind, but should be delicious.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    so far this is what i had in mind:

    11# pale malt
    1# burnt honey
    1/2# pale chocolate
    1/4# c120L
    1/4# c80L
    3 oz carafa I

    /66 oz nugget @40 min
    1 oz goldings @ 20 min

    og~1.070
    ~36 ibu
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    should i up the honey?
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i don't really know how much flavor the burnt honey will lend to this beer, so i'd prefer to go a touch under rather than over.
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  • C_BC_B
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    What's the process for burning honey? Putting it in a pot and scorching it?
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    CB said:

    What's the process for burning honey? Putting it in a pot and scorching it?



    :-??
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i need to do a little google research, but i believe the idea is to boil the honey for a long while until it darkens to whatever point you want it at.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    it's not quite burned, more like a real dark caramel.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    here's a video of someone doing it for a mead. i don't think i'll go quite as dark as he does.

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    Hmm, always interesting recipes to try here!
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    is that a goat? that's a friggin goat with a collar on it at about 7:25. awesome/hilarious.
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  • ThymThym
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    this looks somehow way more delicious than 'regular' mead.
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  • C_BC_B
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    FromZwolle said:

    it's not quite burned, more like a real dark caramel.


    Ah. This makes sense.
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    Lakewood said:

    is that a goat? that's a friggin goat with a collar on it at about 7:25. awesome/hilarious.


    Ha!
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    Lakewood said:

    is that a goat? that's a friggin goat with a collar on it at about 7:25. awesome/hilarious.



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    FromZwolle said:

    Lakewood said:

    is that a goat? that's a friggin goat with a collar on it at about 7:25. awesome/hilarious.



    @ceannt, take notes, this guy knows his evil!


    What's more medieval than burning honey while you goat is tied up waiting for sacrifice.
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    FromZwolle said:

    Lakewood said:

    is that a goat? that's a friggin goat with a collar on it at about 7:25. awesome/hilarious.



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  • ceanntceannt
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    WWay better than just hog tying with duct tape .....
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  • scoobscoob
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    Free range sacrifice!
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ok, this one will hopefully get brewed tomorrow. any last minute recipe critiques? it's shaping up to fit in with what i typically like, but i'm always open to feedback.
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  • ThymThym
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    im really interested in how this turns out
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  • C_BC_B
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    Did you brew it @fromzwolle ?
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    I pray you brewed it, we're it not for my boy taking up my time, I would already have this one on a yeast cake.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    CB said:

    Did you brew it @fromzwolle ?



    where's the fat sack of crap smiley? ^#(^
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    azscoob said:

    I pray you brewed it, we're it not for my boy taking up my time, I would already have this one on a yeast cake.



    see above. i have the grain all weighted out and urrything, but no propane and i didn't feel like brewing indoors yesterday. plus, lazy fat sack.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i think i might make the burnt honey today, then brew the beer tomorrow or wed.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    burnt honey was finished last night. so here's the pics:

    honey in the pot-

    #2- just starting to boil, only took a couple minutes.
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    And here you can sorta see it getting a little darker. the color change is hard to see in the pictures.

    in the second pic you can see where it started to pump out some smoke. that's when i cut the flame.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i split the batch into two portions, one i poured off when it reached the hard crack stage (300F) and the rest went up to 325F. you can see the color difference in these two pics.

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    and here they are after diluting with a little water to get it easier to work with. you can barely tell the color difference until you hold a light up to it.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    the darker half should get used by thursday, the lighter one might get brewed next weekend, but no promises.
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  • ThymThym
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    Did you taste them?
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    Lakewood said:

    Did you taste them?



    nope. i suppose i should, but i don't like sweet stuff.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ok, i tasted it. the more amber colored one tastes like you would expect caramelized honey to taste. sweet and caramelly.

    the darker one tastes like if you mixed honey with tea you made from chocolate malt. lots of flavor going on there.
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    and i'm just starting the boil on this beer. no pics because the sun went down as i was heating strike water. brewing in the dark makes for crappy pictures.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    final recipe

    10.75 # pale malt
    1# burnt honey
    .25# biscuit malt
    .25# chocolate malt
    .25# carafa I
    .25# C80L
    .25# C120L

    2/3 oz Nugget @ 40 min
    1 oz goldings at 20 min.

    measured og 1.072 (whoops. forgot to set the efficiency to 80%)
    calculated ibu's ~32

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  • ThymThym
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    FromZwolle said:

    final recipe

    10.75 # pale malt
    1# burnt honey
    .25# biscuit malt
    .25# chocolate malt
    .25# carafa I
    .25# C80L
    .25# C120L

    2/3 oz Nugget @ 40 min
    1 oz goldings at 20 min.

    measured og 1.072 (whoops. forgot to set the efficiency to 80%)
    calculated ibu's ~32



    72 sounds like a winner to me. but i like bigger beers.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    it should help if i want to save some to age a while.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    time flies, it's been fermenting for three weeks already.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    so what do y'all think. keg it now or give it another week?
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    Give it at least another week ...
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  • ThymThym
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    FromZwolle said:

    so what do y'all think. keg it now or give it another week?



    keg half of it now and send it to me. wait a week, then send the rest.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    Lakewood said:

    FromZwolle said:

    so what do y'all think. keg it now or give it another week?



    keg half of it now and send it to me. wait a week, then send the rest.


    sure thing. refresh my memory, how much milk do you use to prime half a keg?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FromZwolle said:

    Lakewood said:

    FromZwolle said:

    so what do y'all think. keg it now or give it another week?



    keg half of it now and send it to me. wait a week, then send the rest.


    sure thing. refresh my memory, how much milk do you use to prime half a keg?


    Bout 2 quarts of half and half should do it
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  • scoobscoob
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    ceannt said:

    FromZwolle said:

    Lakewood said:

    FromZwolle said:

    so what do y'all think. keg it now or give it another week?



    keg half of it now and send it to me. wait a week, then send the rest.


    sure thing. refresh my memory, how much milk do you use to prime half a keg?


    Bout 2 quarts of half and half should do it

    I still prefer using cottage cheese, or ricotta in a pinch, I like how it chunks up in your glass.
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  • ThymThym
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    azscoob said:

    ceannt said:

    FromZwolle said:

    Lakewood said:

    FromZwolle said:

    so what do y'all think. keg it now or give it another week?



    keg half of it now and send it to me. wait a week, then send the rest.


    sure thing. refresh my memory, how much milk do you use to prime half a keg?


    Bout 2 quarts of half and half should do it

    I still prefer using cottage cheese, or ricotta in a pinch, I like how it chunks up in your glass.


    well, that just turned my stomach a bit
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    Why do all our threads degenerate to this? L-)

    Good stuff.
  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    FromZwolle said:

    final recipe

    10.75 # pale malt
    1# burnt honey
    .25# biscuit malt
    .25# chocolate malt
    .25# carafa I
    .25# C80L
    .25# C120L

    2/3 oz Nugget @ 40 min
    1 oz goldings at 20 min.

    measured og 1.072 (whoops. forgot to set the efficiency to 80%)
    calculated ibu's ~32



    suppose i should have updated this sooner, i ended up dry hopping with fuggles for about two weeks as well.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    and i guess i can add tasting notes, as i already killed the keg about two weeks ago.
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  • C_BC_B
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    FromZwolle said:

    and i guess i can add tasting notes, as i already killed the keg about two weeks ago.


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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i really like the base recipe, but it could do with a bigger charge of late hops to really pull it together.

    If i were to brew it again, i'd drop the honey, swap the base malt for an english pale malt variety, and give it an ounce of fuggles at 15 minutes.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    As far as the taste, specifically the burnt honey flavor, i'll do my best to try and describe it.

    It lent a bit of a sweetish taste that was decidedly not malty, nor was it reminiscent of a honey sweetness. It had a very smooth, deep flavor that i feel would be perfect for a big aged porter. For having a sweetness to the flavor, it finished nice and clean/dry.

    The flavors were similar to what you get from the darker caramel malts, but without the malt flavor to go with it. Dark toffee, slightly caramel but not roasty. On it's own the flavor isn't very impressive, but it does really well to round out the flavors of the darker roasted malts. It also meshes very nicely with the dry hop i added.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I have been told that it tastes much like roasted marshmallows.......
    Yeah.... be awesome in a Porter
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    I have been told that it tastes much like roasted marshmallows.......
    Yeah.... be awesome in a Porter



    i've read that, but it wasn't a good description of the flavor.

    It was as much like roasted marshmellows as honey malt tastes like honey. Kinda sorta similar in a way, but not really.
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  • ThymThym
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    sounds good. is there a round 2 planned?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Now I really want to make a burnt honey mead .....
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    Foget what they are called .... borchet or something .....
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    Foget what they are called .... borchet or something .....



    bochet.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    Lakewood said:

    sounds good. is there a round 2 planned?



    definitely. i'm going with a porter and an ipa next time.
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    the porter will get the darker half, the ipa will get the lighter half.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i put the less burnt half from this round into a sorta not really pale ale recipe, but it turned out with more ibus than i had intended. it tasted like a nice ipa, so i figure i should take it in that direction net time.
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    FromZwolle said:

    i put the less burnt half from this round into a sorta not really pale ale recipe, but it turned out with more ibus than i had intended. it tasted like a nice ipa, so i figure i should take it in that direction net time.



    i was going for more of a golden ale, but the hops threw it all off.
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  • ThymThym
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    i'd really like to try this
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    Lakewood said:

    i'd really like to try this



    go for it. after i restock my dwindling supply of base grain, i think i'll bump these next two burnt honey ales up onto the brew queue.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    so i'll probably do the burning of the honey this weekend. that should motivate me to get in gear with the porter and ipa. not sure when i'll get those brewed, but hopefully sooner than later. i want that porter on tap before it gets cold.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    round 2 is burnt and ready for some beer!
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    the lighter half went into a 2.5 gallon batch of ipa, so now i'm ready to use the darker half in a porter.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i'd like to get that brewed up this weekend, but current porter recipe needs some tweaks if i'm going to add the burnt honey.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i think i might just start from scratch and build it around the idea of the flavor profile you get from the burnt honey.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    so i'm thinking a vanilla bean or two, the burnt honey (dark caramel/almost marshmellow sweetness), and a good amount of roasted/toasted malts to offset the sweet notes.

    probably have to mash a little lower than i normally like. and aim for higher ibu's than i would have without the honey.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i'm open to suggestions as far as recipes. anyone have a good robust porter recipe?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FromZwolle said:

    i'm open to suggestions as far as recipes. anyone have a good robust porter recipe?



    I have one posted in here someplace....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FromZwolle said:

    so i'm thinking a vanilla bean or two, the burnt honey (dark caramel/almost marshmellow sweetness), and a good amount of roasted/toasted malts to offset the sweet notes.

    probably have to mash a little lower than i normally like. and aim for higher ibu's than i would have without the honey.



    since the honey will dry it out.... I would mash a little higher....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    unless burning the honey puts a damper on that affect....
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    unless burning the honey puts a damper on that affect....



    correct. there is a good bit of unfermentable sweetness from the burnt honey.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FromZwolle said:

    ceannt said:

    unless burning the honey puts a damper on that affect....



    correct. there is a good bit of unfermentable sweetness from the burnt honey.


    OK.... never mind then....
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    well, it's in the fermenter now. taste test in about a month and a half.
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