Sorry Bastard - American Strong Ale
  • jlwjlw
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    BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
    Recipe: Sorry Bastard
    Brewer: Chief Bastard
    Asst Brewer:
    Style: Specialty Beer
    TYPE: All Grain
    Taste: (30.0)

    Recipe Specifications
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    Boil Size: 7.54 gal
    Post Boil Volume: 5.72 gal
    Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
    Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
    Estimated OG: 1.092 SG
    Estimated Color: 15.9 SRM
    Estimated IBU: 131.4 IBUs
    Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
    Est Mash Efficiency: 82.5 %
    Boil Time: 90 Minutes

    Ingredients:
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    Amt Name Type # %/IBU
    15 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 88.2 %
    8.0 oz Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM) Grain 2 2.9 %
    8.0 oz Biscuit Malt (23.0 SRM) Grain 3 2.9 %
    8.0 oz Caramunich Malt (56.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.9 %
    8.0 oz Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 5 2.9 %
    1.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 70.0 min Hop 7 39.7 IBUs
    1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 45.0 min Hop 8 35.3 IBUs
    0.75 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 9 14.3 IBUs
    1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
    1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 6 42.2 IBUs
    2.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
    1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 11 -


    Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
    Total Grain Weight: 17 lbs
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    Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
    Mash In Add 23.10 qt of water at 169.1 F 154.0 F 75 min

    Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (0.16gal, 3.90gal) of 168.0 F water
    Notes:
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    OG 1.080

    scoob
  • ceanntceannt
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    Interesting ....
    no wonder I like the oaked version better ... the oak fills the flavor void left by those one dimensional hops ....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    That sounded arrogant didn't it?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Sorry.....

    That should be real close to a dead ringer clone
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    Interesting ....
    no wonder I like the oaked version better ... the oak fills the flavor void left by those one dimensional hops ....


    That sounds almost like a burn.
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  • jlwjlw
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    ceannt said:

    Interesting ....
    no wonder I like the oaked version better ... the oak fills the flavor void left by those one dimensional hops ....



    ouch
  • ceanntceannt
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    Hah. Wasn't really ment that way .... both of those hops have a sharp? Flavor ... and to me lack ... uh.... middle and low end? Taste .... quess you can tell I am used to stuff like EKG .....
    the oak will "fill in" that flavor profile my taste buds are looking for ....
    Really didn't mean to be a ****
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  • scoobscoob
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    I'm gonna try this, love the AB!
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  • scoobscoob
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    I feel like there is some roasted barley in the original, is it spot on with the special B?
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  • jlwjlw
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    azscoob said:

    I feel like there is some roasted barley in the original, is it spot on with the special B?



    I think it's spot on with the special B. I have a couple of different recipes I have found I'll take a look and see if there is anything different.

    Also, I FWH this the original does not call for FWH. I also bumped up the dry hops. I'll post the original later for comparison.
  • jlwjlw
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    Looks like DJ posted a clone. This is accurate as far as I can remember from the original recipe I found a couple of years ago.

    http://www.homebrewforums.net/discussion/15/arrogant-bastard-clone#Item_1

  • ceanntceannt
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    The first time I had AB I was with a buddy that raved about the stuff ... I ordered a pint .... first reaction was "wow"...... then he got mad at me when I said that there was something missing .... I said that I really liked the grain bill .... and that it was really cool seeing an America brewery that didn't fall into the misconception of "malty = sweet".... ....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I told him that a bit of light Munich was the only tweak I would do to the grain bill....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    But its missing some depth of flavor in the hop profile ..... I would leave the "cat piss and pine tar" hops alone.... but add a 5 minute addition of fuggles .. say an ounce in a 5 gallon batch..... I thought he was going to punch me ....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I love your grain bill... effing great ....
    but still think that a bit of an "earthy" hop would make it truly spectacular .....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    BTW ... the FWH idea is genius for this .... smooth it out a bit ... and takes the edge off the harshness. ... your version if anything is probably better than the original
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  • C_BC_B
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    Five comments over eleven minutes. Sorta tied together, but each could stand alone. Sorta rambling. I'd like to crawl inside Ceannt's head for a little while just to see what is rolling around. I bet it's a fun place.
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  • C_BC_B
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    This may get bumped up to second on my list of things to make. My pipeline is such that I could do 10 gallons of this and oak half of it.

    How long did you let this age JLW before kegging? Any age in the keg?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    SeaBee said:

    Five comments over eleven minutes. Sorta tied together, but each could stand alone. Sorta rambling. I'd like to crawl inside Ceannt's head for a little while just to see what is rolling around. I bet it's a fun place.



    Hah..... you would just hurt yourself .......

    scoob
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  • jlwjlw
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    SeaBee said:

    This may get bumped up to second on my list of things to make. My pipeline is such that I could do 10 gallons of this and oak half of it.

    How long did you let this age JLW before kegging? Any age in the keg?


    No real age time to it. I do a 4 week primary and a two week dry hop and then keg and drink it in a few weeks.

    scoob
  • scoobscoob
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    ceannt said:

    SeaBee said:

    Five comments over eleven minutes. Sorta tied together, but each could stand alone. Sorta rambling. I'd like to crawl inside Ceannt's head for a little while just to see what is rolling around. I bet it's a fun place.



    Hah..... you would just hurt yourself .......


    This
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  • C_BC_B
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    GeeWillikers... a 10 gallon batch is going to cost me a hundo for the ingredients. I'm going to have to find something to buy the wife...

    scoob
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  • scoobscoob
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    SeaBee said:

    GeeWillikers... a 10 gallon batch is going to cost me a hundo for the ingredients. I'm going to have to find something to buy the wife...



    A hundo??? By my calculations it should be 50 or less! Where are you buying your grain and hops?
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  • scoobscoob
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    15 dollars for whole leaf hops, 8 dollars for specialty grains, 20 dollars in base malt, 6 dollars for yeast. I think you are overpaying somewhere.
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  • C_BC_B
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    azscoob said:

    15 dollars for whole leaf hops, 8 dollars for specialty grains, 20 dollars in base malt, 6 dollars for yeast. I think you are overpaying somewhere.


    For 10 gallons?

    scoob
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  • scoobscoob
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    SeaBee said:

    azscoob said:

    15 dollars for whole leaf hops, 8 dollars for specialty grains, 20 dollars in base malt, 6 dollars for yeast. I think you are overpaying somewhere.


    For 10 gallons?


    Yup
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  • C_BC_B
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    Well I'm overpaying then for sure. The best I can find 2-row is ~$1/lb at farmhouse. Where are you buying 2-row for 66 cents per pound?
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  • scoobscoob
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    I buy base malt in bulk, 35 dollars for 55 lb sack, specialty grains are 1.80 lb at my LHBS, a lb of whole leaf chinook from hops direct is 15 dollars, (but they way overpack that lb, closer to 1.5 lb,) anyway a 2 oz bag of leaf is 2.00 at LHBS for the 70 min addition hops, yeast is 3.00 per packet
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  • scoobscoob
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    I buy it from my LHBS, he has a sale once in a while, out the door for 35 bucks, I buy a couple sacks
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  • C_BC_B
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    Crap. I'll have to check with my LHBS. At those price cuts I can pay for a mill in no time.

    Btw, your sig is a riot.

    scoob
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  • C_BC_B
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    Advertised price at the LHBS for 2-row is 44.95 for a 50# sack. Better off to get the right amount from Farmhouse and have them mill it for me.
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  • scoobscoob
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    A mill was the best cost saving thing I ever bought for brewing, I set my mill tight tight, and get 87% efficiency, so I can back my grainbill down to hit the target gravity, that saves me money,plus I buy grain in bulk, that saves right there, it keeps the cost down on beers like this one for sure.
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  • scoobscoob
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    SeaBee said:

    Crap. I'll have to check with my LHBS. At those price cuts I can pay for a mill in no time.

    Btw, your sig is a riot.



    Why thank you!
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Yeah .... I priced it out ... with my "tweak"... be right at 50 bucks for 5 gallons ....
    All those hops .....
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  • jlwjlw
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    azscoob said:

    SeaBee said:

    Crap. I'll have to check with my LHBS. At those price cuts I can pay for a mill in no time.

    Btw, your sig is a riot.



    Why thank you!


    @azscoob - check it out. a google of this saying returns your original post and name. Your kind of famous.

    http://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#hl=en&sugexp=les;&gs_nf=1&cp=35&gs_id=2&xhr=t&q=ja,+ich+bin+wie+ein+Esel+aufgehängt&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=ja,+ich+bin+wie+ein+Esel+aufgehängt&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=8d922e7564b14b7d&biw=1280&bih=639

  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    Yeah .... I priced it out ... with my "tweak"... be right at 50 bucks for 5 gallons ....
    All those hops .....


    Yeah... Austin? We both need to buy bulk I guess.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    SeaBee said:

    ceannt said:

    Yeah .... I priced it out ... with my "tweak"... be right at 50 bucks for 5 gallons ....
    All those hops .....


    Yeah... Austin? We both need to buy bulk I guess.


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  • ceanntceannt
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    SeaBee said:

    ceannt said:

    Yeah .... I priced it out ... with my "tweak"... be right at 50 bucks for 5 gallons ....
    All those hops .....


    Yeah... Austin? We both need to buy bulk I guess.


    Yep and yep .....
    But I use so many different base malts .... I don't have room to store 5 or 6 big huge bags .....
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  • C_BC_B
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    azscoob said:

    15 dollars for whole leaf hops, 8 dollars for specialty grains, 20 dollars in base malt, 6 dollars for yeast. I think you are overpaying somewhere.


    I'm poking around for the best deal on everything again for this recipe. You must he stealing base malt from you neighbor. Even bulk I can't get 2-row under $45 for a 50# sack, not including shipping.
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  • ThymThym
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    CB said:

    azscoob said:

    15 dollars for whole leaf hops, 8 dollars for specialty grains, 20 dollars in base malt, 6 dollars for yeast. I think you are overpaying somewhere.


    I'm poking around for the best deal on everything again for this recipe. You must he stealing base malt from you neighbor. Even bulk I can't get 2-row under $45 for a 50# sack, not including shipping.

    $42 for american 2-row at the place a couple blocks from my house
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  • C_BC_B
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    Lakewood said:

    CB said:

    azscoob said:

    15 dollars for whole leaf hops, 8 dollars for specialty grains, 20 dollars in base malt, 6 dollars for yeast. I think you are overpaying somewhere.


    I'm poking around for the best deal on everything again for this recipe. You must he stealing base malt from you neighbor. Even bulk I can't get 2-row under $45 for a 50# sack, not including shipping.

    $42 for american 2-row at the place a couple blocks from my house

    $48 at mine.
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  • jlwjlw
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    I have my ingediets and will be brewing Saturday
  • ThymThym
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    Sweet!
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  • jlwjlw
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    Pre boil.
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  • ThymThym
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    jlw said:

    Pre boil.



    I see you added the milk early
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  • ThymThym
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    I usually add it post boil
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  • jlwjlw
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    Hops. Look away cb and fz
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  • jlwjlw
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    Lakewood said:

    jlw said:

    Pre boil.



    I see you added the milk early


    Lmao.
  • ThymThym
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    jlw said:

    Hops. Look away cb and fz



    Om nom
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  • jlwjlw
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    Don't make me come over there.
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  • ThymThym
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    jlw said:

    Don't make me come over there.



    Dont take your selfies with the sun to your back.
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  • jlwjlw
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    I did that on purpose
  • jlwjlw
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    To add a element of unknown. Did it work?
  • jlwjlw
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    Cause I just had a boil over cause of this.
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  • ThymThym
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    jlw said:

    To add a element of unknown. Did it work?



    Mostly just made it annoying to look at.

    Drink your beer and watch your boil
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  • jlwjlw
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    Lakewood said:

    jlw said:

    To add a element of unknown. Did it work?



    Mostly just made it annoying to look at.

    Drink your beer and watch your boil


    Hmm. Fail then.
  • ThymThym
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    Sorry. It was worth a try im sure
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  • jlwjlw
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    No no. The truth hurts.
  • ThymThym
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    jlw said:

    No no. The truth hurts.



    Is that yhe clear sky of a warm sunny day or the clear sky of bitter cold?
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  • jlwjlw
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    Bitter cold. Actually not bad right now. But it was 17 at 8 am
  • ThymThym
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    jlw said:

    Bitter cold. Actually not bad right now. But it was 17 at 8 am



    Yuck
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  • jlwjlw
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    But it will be 75 Monday. So if you want to experience all 4 seasons in two days come to Virginia
  • ThymThym
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    jlw said:

    But it will be 75 Monday. So if you want to experience all 4 seasons in two days come to Virginia


    Hello head cold city!
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  • ThymThym
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    Its 68 here today. Pretty nice.
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  • jlwjlw
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    Lakewood said:

    Its 68 here today. Pretty nice.



    But at least it rains here.
  • ThymThym
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    jlw said:

    Lakewood said:

    Its 68 here today. Pretty nice.



    But at least it rains here.


    That would be nice
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  • C_BC_B
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    jlw said:

    Hops. Look away cb and fz



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  • jlwjlw
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    2nd brew day in 2016. At least I got it in. Anyway, brewing this recipe....again.

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