Decoction Mash Help
  • jlwjlw
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    I have never attempted a decoction mash but I want to do one for my Oktoberfest beer I am brewing tomorrow.

    I am toying between the single and the double. I understand how to do the Protein Rest and the Saccharification. I'm not sure i understand the mash out. Do I remove the grain and dump into a bk and heat? I use an igloo water cooler so I'm a little confused on this step

    Also, do these steps look right?

    Single steps:

    Protein Rest Add 21.62 qt of water at 128.7 F 122.0 F 35 min
    Saccharification Decoct 9.21 qt of mash and boil it 154.0 F 45 min
    Mash Out Heat to 168.0 F over 10 min 168.0 F 10 min

    Double steps:

    Protein Rest Add 21.62 qt of water at 128.7 F 122.0 F 35 min
    Saccharification Decoct 7.20 qt of mash and boil it 147.0 F 20 min
    Saccharification Decoct 3.59 qt of mash and boil it 156.0 F 20 min
    Mash Out Heat to 168.0 F over 10 min 168.0 F 10 min
  • ThymThym
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    I think you just decoct enough mash to get 168-170 after re-introduction
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  • jlwjlw
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    That makes sense but I wonder how much to decoct?
  • ThymThym
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    jlw said:

    That makes sense but I wonder how much to decoct?



    use the same heat capacity equation you used for the other decoctions
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    jlw said:

    I
    I am toying between the single and the double. I understand how to do the Protein Rest and the Saccharification. I'm not sure i understand the mash out. Do I remove the grain and dump into a bk and heat? I use an igloo water cooler so I'm a little confused on this step



    yep, just scoop out the grain and boil it in whatever pot you wish. try not to get too much liquid, as that's where all the enzymes are and you don't want to kill those. stir nonstop or you'll end up scorching.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    Lakewood said:

    jlw said:

    That makes sense but I wonder how much to decoct?



    use the same heat capacity equation you used for the other decoctions


    yep.
    The pinnacle of lame and awesome in one singular moment. -Lake
  • ThymThym
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    maybe i should post a decoction step calculator... i'd have to write it first though.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • ceanntceannt
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    Ah yes thermodynamics.... use my beer calculator buddy...

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  • jlwjlw
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    Just pulled my first decoction. Grain a d all two gallons.
  • jlwjlw
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    Second decoction under way.
  • jlwjlw
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    Oh and I missed my first step temp low by 5*. So pulled 1 gallon of mostly liquid off the top of of the mash. Brought to bo and added back in raising temp to 149. Which is 2* higher but I figure it will be ok.
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 49,777
    jlw said:

    Oh and I missed my first step temp low by 5*. So pulled 1 gallon of mostly liquid off the top of of the mash. Brought to bo and added back in raising temp to 149. Which is 2* higher but I figure it will be ok.



    decoctions are great for temp adjustments.
    The pinnacle of lame and awesome in one singular moment. -Lake
  • jlwjlw
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    Boiling for the mash out.
  • ThymThym
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    jlw said:

    Boiling for the mash out.



    Woohoo
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  • scoobscoob
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    FromZwolle said:

    jlw said:

    Oh and I missed my first step temp low by 5*. So pulled 1 gallon of mostly liquid off the top of of the mash. Brought to bo and added back in raising temp to 149. Which is 2* higher but I figure it will be ok.



    decoctions are great for temp adjustments.


    I have often done this when I undershoot a batch temp, usually on smaller grain bills.

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