also, i think citra or amarillo wouldn't be out of place in there either. ;)

jlw said:

I have not used the chocolate rye before and it just seemed to fit. I agree on the citra and amarillo. i was trying to use what I have in my freezer. I went back and forth on throwing a bunch of citra in there as a late addition and dry hop. I could always throw it in there.

i probably would.

btw, what the heck is this chocolate rye going to do from a taste perspective? I only added it becuse i learned through research SN uses some chocolate in their recipe.

In the freezer I have:

Columbus whole leaf
Magnum
Chinook
Cascades
Centennial

The SN Ruthless Rye is pretty freaking good so I think it will be good. It just seemed on the surface to be out of place.

Lakewood said:

i've not used rye in any of my beers so i can't say the difference between chocolate malt and chocolate rye, but i would assume it will fit right in with this malt bill. It sounds good. I agree with only adding a bit of the chocolate as it can be pretty potent. Used like this i think you will get a bit of richness in the color and a hint of chocolate flavor. yum.

I'm not so sure about the citra, I think of it as being very bright and fruity and i think it could clash with the earthy rye flavors. But that's just my gut reaction. I would actully dry hop with something a bit more grassy.

founder's red's rye pa uses amarillo as a late addition and dry hop. it's a great beer. the citrusy tones don't clash at all with the rye, it goes great together.

jlw said:

founder's red's rye pa uses amarillo as a late addition and dry hop. it's a great beer. the citrusy tones don't clash at all with the rye, it goes great together.

I'm willing to substitute something else in. Question now is to I sub or just add to the other hops with either the citra or amarillo?

i'm not much of a hop head, so i'm not really sure what would be better. if it were me, i would sub either the citra or amarillo for some of the cascade, but not all. i have no idea what amounts, though.

Founders is freaking awesome

I just realized I posted the smoked RyePA recipe on here a while back, I need to keep track of these things!!

Brewing this beer on Saturday. Need one final piece of advice before I place an order.

I want to sub in Amarillo and Citra for some of the Cascade in the late addition and the dry hop.

For the late addition I think I am going to drop the cascade to .5 oz and add in 1.5 of either Citra or Amarillo just not sure which.

For the dry hop I am thinking about removing the cascade and adding an ounce each of citra and amarillo.

Or should I just make this a hop bomb and add citra and amarillo in on top of all the other hops.

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 75.0 %
1 lbs 12.0 oz Rye, Flaked (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 14.6 %
4.0 oz Chocolate Rye Malt (250.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.1 %
1 lbs Caramel Wheat Malt (46.0 SRM) Grain 3 8.3 %
1.25 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 55.5 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 40.0 min Hop 6 4.1 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 7 5.7 IBUs
2.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 9 5.8 IBUs
2.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 8 3.2 IBUs
2.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 10 -

frydogbrews said:

hop bomb.
silly question

don't do it!

FromZwolle said:

i wouldn't drown the rye character in hops

That's kind what I was worried about.

Here is what I decided on:

.5 oz of cascade @ 2min
1.5 oz of citra @ 2 min

2 oz of citra at dry hop this is in addition to the other dry hops.

Final recipe:


BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Rye IPA
Brewer: Le Freak
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 6.93 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.72 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.064 SG
Estimated Color: 13.7 SRM
Estimated IBU: 77.0 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 82.5 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 75.0 %
1 lbs 12.0 oz Rye, Flaked (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 14.6 %
4.0 oz Chocolate Rye Malt (250.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.1 %
1 lbs Caramel Wheat Malt (46.0 SRM) Grain 3 8.3 %
1.25 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 55.5 IBUs
0.25 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 40.0 min Hop 6 4.1 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 7 5.7 IBUs
2.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 8 5.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 10 0.8 IBUs
1.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 9 5.2 IBUs
2.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 11 -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 12 lbs
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 16.60 qt of water at 164.1 F 150.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (0.88gal, 3.59gal) of 168.0 F water
Notes:

Yummy

Dr_Jerryrigger said:

I've used choc. Rye, but never any other rye. I'd say it's more mellow than other rye (from eating grains of each).
All and all it looks like a great beer. It look like it may be almost a Ruthless Rye clone, though a bit more hopy (I'd guess).

I guess it could be. I didn;t really know where to start so I looked at Ruthless Rye and Founders red Rye and started putting the recipe together from the base graines they mentioned. The hops primarily came from what was in the freezer plus some citra.