I mead some advice.
  • C_BC_B
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    So... I just got 5 gallons of honey for Christmas. I'm planning to do @frydogbrews simple mead with the K1-V1116 yeast for a batch or two. I need some opinions here....
    What yeast to use other than K1-V1116 ? I should have (4) 5 gallon batches.
    Well water that we soften? Still a bit minerally. Or "mountain spring" bottled water?
    Other thoughts?
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  • ThymThym
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    C_B said:

    So... I just got 5 gallons of honey for Christmas. I'm planning to do @frydogbrews simple mead with the K1-V1116 yeast for a batch or two. I need some opinions here....
    What yeast to use other than K1-V1116 ? I should have (4) 5 gallon batches.
    Well water that we soften? Still a bit minerally. Or "mountain spring" bottled water?
    Other thoughts?



    i have no idea. i've never made mead and i've never tasted your well water.
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    icv d47 is quite good in my opinion.
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  • C_BC_B
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    icv d47 is quite good in my opinion.



    Sweet? Dry? Aroma? Grapey?
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    C_B said:

    icv d47 is quite good in my opinion.



    Sweet? Dry? Aroma? Grapey?


    Dry, but not crazy dry. Good aroma, but I think that's very dependent on what honey you start with.
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  • C_BC_B
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    C_B said:

    icv d47 is quite good in my opinion.



    Sweet? Dry? Aroma? Grapey?


    Dry, but not crazy dry. Good aroma, but I think that's very dependent on what honey you start with.

    I believe this is a light amber blend, not ultra light amber. Wildflower.
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    icv d47 is quite good in my opinion.



    Sweet? Dry? Aroma? Grapey?


    Dry, but not crazy dry. Good aroma, but I think that's very dependent on what honey you start with.

    I believe this is a light amber blend, not ultra light amber. Wildflower.


    I used some commodity grade organic wildflower I got for free. I don't know much about mead. I just used the d47 stuff because fry told me to and it worked out good.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    D 47 works good. The yeast won't necessarily determine the dryness....how much you push the yeast will. So, essentially, if you don't want it crazy dry, try to let the yeast peter out.
    Generally, mead that isn't dry is backsweetened.
    try using S-05, that produces fun results sometimes.
    The "grapey" flavors and stuff come from the honey. Generally, the darker the honey, the more flavors you get, but they aren't all good flavors, so you role the dice.
    softened water is fine to use, but grab some distilled at the store for one batch just so you can learn the difference.

  • C_BC_B
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    I have one packet of K1V, a couple packets of Cotes de Blanc and a packet of champaign yeast. And some nutrients. @frydogbrews can I make mead today? Your easy mead recipe calls for two packs. I forgot about that....
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  • C_BC_B
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    I like cotes de blanc in Graff. Not sure what that means for mead....
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    make a small batch and keep feeding it as it ferments.
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  • C_BC_B
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    make a small batch and keep feeding it as it ferments.



    I like that idea. Maybe 3 gallons total? Half the normal honey. Pitch the one pack of yeast and some nutrients. As it ferments add more honey and water till I get to 5 gallons?
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    C_B said:

    make a small batch and keep feeding it as it ferments.



    I like that idea. Maybe 3 gallons total? Half the normal honey. Pitch the one pack of yeast and some nutrients. As it ferments add more honey and water till I get to 5 gallons?


    yep. that's how i do 5 gallons of cider in a 5 gallon bucket. keeps the krausen from causing a mess.
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  • C_BC_B
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    2.5 gallons of water
    8lbs of honey
    2tsp nutrients
    1 packet of Lavin K1V
    OG of 21.6 brix

    I'll step feed it over the next week to get the whole mess up to 5.25 gallons.
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  • ThymThym
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    nice
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  • C_BC_B
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    Air temp around the bucket is 64, bucket temp is 66.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    I would have just pitched the K1V and let it ride. If it craps out, hit it with the champagne to finish the job. With the bulk of the ferment done, the bad flavors from the champagne won't be noticable.
  • C_BC_B
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    I added 7.5 lbs of honey and topped up to 5.5 gallons or so.
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  • C_BC_B
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    And the thermo strip says 66. That's probably about right?
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    C_B said:

    And the thermo strip says 66. That's probably about right?



    I don't know, look at they pack the yeast came in.
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  • C_BC_B
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    C_B said:

    And the thermo strip says 66. That's probably about right?



    I don't know, look at they pack the yeast came in.

    It says 50* - 95*.
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    And the thermo strip says 66. That's probably about right?



    I don't know, look at they pack the yeast came in.

    It says 50* - 95*.


    Is 66 in between those numbers?
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  • C_BC_B
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    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    And the thermo strip says 66. That's probably about right?



    I don't know, look at they pack the yeast came in.

    It says 50* - 95*.


    Is 66 in between those numbers?


    So 90 is a perfectly acceptable fermentation temp?
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    And the thermo strip says 66. That's probably about right?



    I don't know, look at they pack the yeast came in.

    It says 50* - 95*.


    Is 66 in between those numbers?


    So 90 is a perfectly acceptable fermentation temp?


    Yes.
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  • ThymThym
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    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    And the thermo strip says 66. That's probably about right?



    I don't know, look at they pack the yeast came in.

    It says 50* - 95*.


    Is 66 in between those numbers?


    So 90 is a perfectly acceptable fermentation temp?


    Yes.


    The flavors from any yeast will vary with fermentation temp... I usually like to shoot for the lower end of the recommended range.
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    Lakewood said:

    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    And the thermo strip says 66. That's probably about right?



    I don't know, look at they pack the yeast came in.

    It says 50* - 95*.


    Is 66 in between those numbers?


    So 90 is a perfectly acceptable fermentation temp?


    Yes.


    The flavors from any yeast will vary with fermentation temp... I usually like to shoot for the lower end of the recommended range.


    That is better advice. Warmer will give more esters which could be good or bad with mead. You're new to it so keep it on the cool side.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    And the thermo strip says 66. That's probably about right?



    I don't know, look at they pack the yeast came in.

    It says 50* - 95*.


    Is 66 in between those numbers?


    So 90 is a perfectly acceptable fermentation temp?


    Sure....if all you want is "fermentation". it won't taste good at that temp, but it will ferment. 66 is just fine, though.
  • C_BC_B
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    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    And the thermo strip says 66. That's probably about right?



    I don't know, look at they pack the yeast came in.

    It says 50* - 95*.


    Is 66 in between those numbers?


    So 90 is a perfectly acceptable fermentation temp?


    Sure....if all you want is "fermentation". it won't taste good at that temp, but it will ferment. 66 is just fine, though.


    Perfect. It's happily bubbling now.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Basement got down to 45 last night. Mead was down to 52. Stupid drafty basement. I brought it up, warmed it up and rousted the yeast several times. Hope it's ok.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    Wine yeast is much tougher, and much better with cold temperatures, than beer yeast.
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    Wine yeast is much tougher, and much better with cold temperatures, than beer yeast.



    Good. It's sitting on 64 and chugging along. I should have set up a water bath with the aquarium heater in the basement. But I did not.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    i have fermented apple juice with that yeast in ambient temps of 50 degrees without any problem. It took twice as long, but worked great.
  • C_BC_B
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    i have fermented apple juice with that yeast in ambient temps of 50 degrees without any problem. It took twice as long, but worked great.


    I am more concerned about the temp swing. If I can keep 'er steady it'll be fine.
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  • C_BC_B
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    But that gives me some comfort. So I'm still new to this whole thing... Am I supposed to degass this at some point? I pretty much plan to leave it alone for a month or so then rack to a carboy and forget it till spring. Anything else I should be doing there?
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    C_B said:

    But that gives me some comfort. So I'm still new to this whole thing... Am I supposed to degass this at some point? I pretty much plan to leave it alone for a month or so then rack to a carboy and forget it till spring. Anything else I should be doing there?



    Degas when you rack to the carboy.
  • C_BC_B
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    C_B said:

    But that gives me some comfort. So I'm still new to this whole thing... Am I supposed to degass this at some point? I pretty much plan to leave it alone for a month or so then rack to a carboy and forget it till spring. Anything else I should be doing there?



    Degas when you rack to the carboy.

    And that process is rack then gently stir/swirl?
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    C_B said:

    C_B said:

    But that gives me some comfort. So I'm still new to this whole thing... Am I supposed to degass this at some point? I pretty much plan to leave it alone for a month or so then rack to a carboy and forget it till spring. Anything else I should be doing there?



    Degas when you rack to the carboy.

    And that process is rack then gently stir/swirl?


    yup. Hit it with a little sulfur then too in order to prevent oxidation.
    The only real downside to a colder fermentation is that it will retain more CO2 than a warmer one. Just a gentle stir releases it. You will see and hear it coming out. I have one of those 15 dollar units that fits in my drill and also fits inside the neck of a carboy and reaches to the bottom. Works great.
  • C_BC_B
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    I think I have Campden tabs. That works, right? One tab per five gallons? I'll have to check the concentration though...
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    check the ppm on the tabs. They are probably the full strength variety if you got them from midwest or anywhere else.
    you initially use 5 tabs per 5 gallon batch. If you haven't sulfited at all yet, use that amount. Crush them up into a fine powder and put in when you degas.
    (don't inhale any of the powder. i put them in a freezer bag and whack with a rolling pin to keep dust down).
  • ThymThym
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    don't inhale any of the powder.



    Or else, what?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Lakewood said:

    don't inhale any of the powder.



    Or else, what?


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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    ceannt said:

    Lakewood said:

    don't inhale any of the powder.



    Or else, what?


    Madness and death


    pretty much. Or a really really bad asthma attack, even if you don't actually have asthma.

    At the least, it would make breathing difficult for a while, which is never good.
  • C_BC_B
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    Alright! I stopped at the LHBS today and picked up some more yeast. D47 and K1V or whatever it is.
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  • C_BC_B
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    I think I'll start another batch tomorrow maybe. Same yeast, but use softened well water instead of RO. Otherwise the same.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Still happily clicking along.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Are these the regular strength ones?
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  • ThymThym
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    C_B said:

    Are these the regular strength ones?



    I think Fry has a thread where he lists the mg for the campden tabs
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  • C_BC_B
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    Lakewood said:

    C_B said:

    Are these the regular strength ones?



    I think Fry has a thread where he lists the mg for the campden tabs

    Good call.
    http://homebrewforums.net/discussion/138#Item_1


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  • C_BC_B
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    It's down to 0.997, Ima rack and add some Campden. 5 crushed up tabs for the 5 gallons.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Racked. Added Campden. Swirled an' stuff. Put extra in a mason jar? Yep.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Tastes like booze. So that's cool.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    C_B said:

    Tastes like booze. So that's cool.



    something was done right!
  • C_BC_B
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    Batch 2

    15lbs of honey
    Water topped up to just over 5 gallons (this time I used tap water which is softened well water)
    Two packets of K1-V
    1 tsp yeast nutrient
    29.2 Brix
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  • C_BC_B
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    Also, I tasted a sample of the first batch that I put in a mason jar (it was more than I could fit in the carboy). Not bad. Not bad.
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  • ThymThym
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    C_B said:

    Also, I tasted a sample of the first batch that I put in a mason jar (it was more than I could fit in the carboy). Not bad. Not bad.


    Yay!
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  • C_BC_B
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    Bottled. Tasted ok. I put the last bottle tjatos only half full in the fridge. I'll taste tomorrow evening.
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    tjatos
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    tjatos



    Drunk thumbs for "that is".
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    C_B said:

    tjatos



    Drunk thumbs for "that is".


    aww, sad face. i thought it was short for cat tacos.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Yeah I mean, it tastes boozy. The aroma is a touch honey and a little... syrupy? Not really much of an aroma. Sweetish taste. Really not much overall flavor. Relatively smooth. My wife recoiled and said it was bitter, I'm not getting that.
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  • CurlyFatCurlyFat
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    C_B said:

    Yeah I mean, it tastes boozy. The aroma is a touch honey and a little... syrupy? Not really much of an aroma. Sweetish taste. Really not much overall flavor. Relatively smooth. My wife recoiled and said it was bitter, I'm not getting that.



    She probably has a good pallet.


    I took a short one a couple hours ago. It was nice. --
    C_B

  • C_BC_B
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    DrCurly said:

    C_B said:

    Yeah I mean, it tastes boozy. The aroma is a touch honey and a little... syrupy? Not really much of an aroma. Sweetish taste. Really not much overall flavor. Relatively smooth. My wife recoiled and said it was bitter, I'm not getting that.



    She probably has a good pallet.


    I don't know what a wooden shipping apparatus for large items has to do with my wife's ability to taste mead.
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    C_B said:

    tjatos



    Drunk thumbs for "that is".


    aww, sad face. i thought it was short for cat tacos.


    Taco cat
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    C_B said:

    tjatos



    Drunk thumbs for "that is".


    aww, sad face. i thought it was short for cat tacos.


    Taco cat


    that's an entirely different thing
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