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Apple cider/cyser/apfelwein
  • C_BC_B
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    This discussion was created from comments split from: How many kegs do you have in your system?.

    Ima put this over here.
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    Jeep, have you posted your Apfelwein recipe somewhere? I searched our site and didn't see it. I'm interested. Maybe good for Oktoberfest, take a while to ferment?
  • jeepinjeepinjeepinjeepin
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    EdWort's recipe. Kinda. Apple juice and frozen apple juice concentrate. One can to one gallon is about right. Nottingham and yeast nutrient isn't a bad idea. Ferments out pretty quick. 6 months or more before it tastes great.
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    What about swapping honey for dextrose? Do you know an equivalent? @frydogbrews thoughts?
  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    yeah, you can do that, but then you have a cyser, not an Apfelwine. it will have more mineral qualities from the honey.
  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 77,085
    Benvarine said:

    Jeep, have you posted your Apfelwein recipe somewhere?


    EdWort's recipe. Kinda. Apple juice and frozen apple juice concentrate. One can to one gallon is about right. Nottingham and yeast nutrient isn't a bad idea. Ferments out pretty quick. 6 months or more before it tastes great.


    I want details. Like a legit recipe.
    "On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
  • C_BC_B
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    yeah, you can do that, but then you have a cyser, not an Apfelwine. it will have more mineral qualities from the honey.


    Please define "mineral qualities".
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    Benvarine said:

    What about swapping honey for dextrose? Do you know an equivalent? @frydogbrews thoughts?



    Benvarine said:



    How do I figure how much to add?



    uhhhh.....hello.....i already said 3 pounds

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  • jeepinjeepinjeepinjeepin
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    C_dubbs said:

    Benvarine said:

    Jeep, have you posted your Apfelwein recipe somewhere?


    EdWort's recipe. Kinda. Apple juice and frozen apple juice concentrate. One can to one gallon is about right. Nottingham and yeast nutrient isn't a bad idea. Ferments out pretty quick. 6 months or more before it tastes great.


    I want details. Like a legit recipe.


    I lost my notes on it. I diluted and measured the concentrate so I could calculate OG if I added another can later. Some research tells me that the concentrate may be in the 75 brix range, while apple juice is around 15 brix. I've been planning a stepped feeding Apfelwein until the yeast craps out. I'll get on it.
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  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 77,085

    Benvarine said:

    What about swapping honey for dextrose? Do you know an equivalent? @frydogbrews thoughts?



    uhhhh.....hello.....i already said 3 pounds


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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    C_dubbs said:

    yeah, you can do that, but then you have a cyser, not an Apfelwine. it will have more mineral qualities from the honey.


    Please define "mineral qualities".


    tastes like rocks, but in a good way......

    you know how you can taste a minerally-ness in really hard water? most people like that flavor....same thing.

  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 77,085

    C_dubbs said:

    Benvarine said:

    Jeep, have you posted your Apfelwein recipe somewhere?


    EdWort's recipe. Kinda. Apple juice and frozen apple juice concentrate. One can to one gallon is about right. Nottingham and yeast nutrient isn't a bad idea. Ferments out pretty quick. 6 months or more before it tastes great.


    I want details. Like a legit recipe.


    I lost my notes on it. I diluted and measured the concentrate so I could calculate OG if I added another can later. Some research tells me that the concentrate may be in the 75 brix range, while apple juice is around 15 brix. I've been planning a stepped feeding Apfelwein until the yeast craps out. I'll get on it.

    Ok. Neat. I want to know more.
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  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 77,085

    C_dubbs said:

    yeah, you can do that, but then you have a cyser, not an Apfelwine. it will have more mineral qualities from the honey.


    Please define "mineral qualities".


    tastes like rocks, but in a good way......

    you know how you can taste a minerally-ness in really hard water? most people like that flavor....same thing.


    Ah ok. Yeah, I like that flavor.
    "On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    yeah, i seriously think you should never add honey unless you add 3 pounds or more. otherwise, you're just wasting honey. people that say they can taste 12 oz of honey added to a 5 gallon batch of beer need to do a blind tasting without the honey to realize that their brains are tricking them.
  • C_BC_B
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    yeah, i seriously think you should never add honey unless you add 3 pounds or more. otherwise, you're just wasting honey. people that say they can taste 12 oz of honey added to a 5 gallon batch of beer need to do a blind tasting without the honey to realize that their brains are tricking them.


    I wondered if that 3 pounds thing was coming out of a legit reason... I couldn't tell because I thought you were hammered. But this makes sense.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,596

    yeah, i seriously think you should never add honey unless you add 3 pounds or more. otherwise, you're just wasting honey. people that say they can taste 12 oz of honey added to a 5 gallon batch of beer need to do a blind tasting without the honey to realize that their brains are tricking them.



    troof. unless it's burnt honey, that shows up much more easily.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
    Posts: 44,679
    C_dubbs said:

    yeah, i seriously think you should never add honey unless you add 3 pounds or more. otherwise, you're just wasting honey. people that say they can taste 12 oz of honey added to a 5 gallon batch of beer need to do a blind tasting without the honey to realize that their brains are tricking them.


    I wondered if that 3 pounds thing was coming out of a legit reason... I couldn't tell because I thought you were hammered. But this makes sense.


    i was hammered though. just to be clear.
  • BenvarineBenvarine
    Posts: 1,606
    C_dubbs said:

    yeah, i seriously think you should never add honey unless you add 3 pounds or more. otherwise, you're just wasting honey. people that say they can taste 12 oz of honey added to a 5 gallon batch of beer need to do a blind tasting without the honey to realize that their brains are tricking them.


    I wondered if that 3 pounds thing was coming out of a legit reason... I couldn't tell because I thought you were hammered. But this makes sense.


    The statement might be legit, but the source is not.
  • BenvarineBenvarine
    Posts: 1,606

    yeah, i seriously think you should never add honey unless you add 3 pounds or more. otherwise, you're just wasting honey. people that say they can taste 12 oz of honey added to a 5 gallon batch of beer need to do a blind tasting without the honey to realize that their brains are tricking them.



    Hey, the Kolsh recipe I got from @Lothos only had 12 oz. So that means you are full of crap or Lothos is trying to trick my brain. Which is it?
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,596
    Benvarine said:

    yeah, i seriously think you should never add honey unless you add 3 pounds or more. otherwise, you're just wasting honey. people that say they can taste 12 oz of honey added to a 5 gallon batch of beer need to do a blind tasting without the honey to realize that their brains are tricking them.



    Hey, the Kolsh recipe I got from @Lothos only had 12 oz. So that means you are full of crap or Lothos is trying to trick my brain. Which is it?


    They're both pretty devious.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
    Posts: 44,679
    Benvarine said:

    yeah, i seriously think you should never add honey unless you add 3 pounds or more. otherwise, you're just wasting honey. people that say they can taste 12 oz of honey added to a 5 gallon batch of beer need to do a blind tasting without the honey to realize that their brains are tricking them.



    Hey, the Kolsh recipe I got from @Lothos only had 12 oz. So that means you are full of crap or Lothos is trying to trick my brain. Which is it?


    neither. lothos had already had his brain tricked and just passed the sickness on
  • ceanntceannt
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    A pound of honey will bump up the gravity a bit ... and dry it up a little .. but does not impart a perceptable flavor ...
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