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stingy siphoning?
  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    How do you all siphon? like when do you stop?

    i usually get as much as i can, and then tilt the bucket to try to get more (while getting less sediment). this always leads to me getting a bunch of sediment in my beer and then i dump out the first pint or two that i pull off the keg because it looks too chewy.

    i realized though, that by trying to get more beer out of my primary fermenter and actually getting sediment then dumping a few out, i am probably losing more beer than if i had just left that stuff in the fermenter to begin with.

    Thoughts?
  • ceanntceannt
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    Do you siphon straight from the fermenter to the keg?
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    it depends on the yeast. if i'm siphoning and i see that it's settled into a nice solid cake, i'll get every drop i can. if it's a less flocculent strain and it starts to get swampy when i tilt the bucket, i'll stop much sooner.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    Do you siphon straight from the fermenter to the keg?



    i always do.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    ceannt said:

    Do you siphon straight from the fermenter to the keg?



    yes. always.
  • jeepinjeepinjeepinjeepin
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    it depends on the yeast. if i'm siphoning and i see that it's settled into a nice solid cake, i'll get every drop i can. if it's a less flocculent strain and it starts to get swampy when i tilt the bucket, i'll stop much sooner.



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  • ceanntceannt
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    You might try siphoning to a bottling bucket first .... and let it settle for a minute.
    Adds the pain of sanitizing something else .... but should cut down on the sediment
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    i don't think it would. even in a keg that is being cold crashed it takes a solid day to drop any measurable sediment out.
  • ceanntceannt
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    It were just a thought
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  • jeepinjeepinjeepinjeepin
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    And I have an PVC elbow on the spigot of my bottling bucket that sucks the bottom. It's close enough that chunky stuff won't get by but loose yeast would.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    And I have an PVC elbow on the spigot of my bottling bucket that sucks the bottom. It's close enough that chunky stuff won't get by but loose yeast would.



    I siphon from the top of my bucket
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  • jeepinjeepinjeepinjeepin
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    ceannt said:

    And I have an PVC elbow on the spigot of my bottling bucket that sucks the bottom. It's close enough that chunky stuff won't get by but loose yeast would.



    I siphon from the top of my bucket


    Primary bucket or bottling bucket?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    ceannt said:

    And I have an PVC elbow on the spigot of my bottling bucket that sucks the bottom. It's close enough that chunky stuff won't get by but loose yeast would.



    I siphon from the top of my bucket


    Primary bucket or bottling bucket?


    Both
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  • jeepinjeepinjeepinjeepin
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    Ok. I use better bottles and siphon from the top down starting around midway with an autosiphon either straight to a keg or to a bucket with a spigot near the bottom.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I use a homemade racking cane made from a plastic water supply tube ... and keep the opening about an inch below the surface level all the way down
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  • ThymThym
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    i dont siphon so much any more but i still rack (co2 pressure) from my primary to the kegs. my racking cane is moveable so i start drawing from the top then work my way down until i see a bit of cloudyness... then i stop. i usually only have maybe 1/2 pint to a pint of funky swill in my keg, and that's usually just the second one that gets filled (10 gal batches)
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
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    what are you fermenting 10 gallon batches in? right now i just split into two 5 gallon buckets.
  • ThymThym
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    what are you fermenting 10 gallon batches in? right now i just split into two 5 gallon buckets.



    i ferment in sanke style 15gallon kegs. I have two of them dedicated to that purpose.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • C_BC_B
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    How do you all siphon? like when do you stop?

    i usually get as much as i can, and then tilt the bucket to try to get more (while getting less sediment). this always leads to me getting a bunch of sediment in my beer and then i dump out the first pint or two that i pull off the keg because it looks too chewy.


    I pretty much do this. I always get a little yeasty sediment at the end of the siphon. But I don't dump but maybe the first half pint from the keg.
    If I'm bottling I usually do the same thing telling myself I need the yeast for carbonating.
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    I used to be more concerned about getting every drop, now I'm not. I leave about an inch or so on the cake. Depends on the yeast too I guess. I have a racking cane with the cap on the bottom and that seems to help. I get little to no sediment in my first beers, nothing worth dumping.
  • ThymThym
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    Benvarine said:

    I used to be more concerned about getting every drop, now I'm not. I leave about an inch or so on the cake. Depends on the yeast too I guess. I have a racking cane with the cap on the bottom and that seems to help. I get little to no sediment in my first beers, nothing worth dumping.



    i would do this if i could see through the sidewall of my fermenters
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  • C_BC_B
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    Benvarine said:

    I used to be more concerned about getting every drop, now I'm not. I leave about an inch or so on the cake. Depends on the yeast too I guess. I have a racking cane with the cap on the bottom and that seems to help. I get little to no sediment in my first beers, nothing worth dumping.


    "Worth dumping" is a funny thing. I don't dump it unless it looks like sludge. And even then... B vitamins and lots of epic gas. Epic, room clearing gas.
    "On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
  • ThymThym
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    C_dubbs said:

    Benvarine said:

    I used to be more concerned about getting every drop, now I'm not. I leave about an inch or so on the cake. Depends on the yeast too I guess. I have a racking cane with the cap on the bottom and that seems to help. I get little to no sediment in my first beers, nothing worth dumping.


    "Worth dumping" is a funny thing. I don't dump it unless it looks like sludge. And even then... B vitamins and lots of epic gas. Epic, room clearing gas.


    i try to avoid that...
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  • C_BC_B
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    Lakewood said:

    C_dubbs said:

    Benvarine said:

    I used to be more concerned about getting every drop, now I'm not. I leave about an inch or so on the cake. Depends on the yeast too I guess. I have a racking cane with the cap on the bottom and that seems to help. I get little to no sediment in my first beers, nothing worth dumping.


    "Worth dumping" is a funny thing. I don't dump it unless it looks like sludge. And even then... B vitamins and lots of epic gas. Epic, room clearing gas.


    i try to avoid that...


    Meh. It's good for you.
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    I like the room clearing gas the next day, I usually blame it on the dog but the kids always call me out on it.
  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    it's hard to deffer blame when you've asked them to pull your finger.

    Thym
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B