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  • C_BC_B
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    Centennial 8.0% 2.3oz, Palisade 7.3% 1.7oz - combined in one package.
    Palisade 7.3% 1.0oz, Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 1.0oz -combined.
    Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 0.5oz, Mt. hood 5.2% 0.5oz - combined.

    So I received a 5 gallon extract kit with these hops plus some more Palisade and a pile of DME and some specialty grains that I haven't figured out yet. I don't want to do the kit as it was intended for a couple reasons.
    I'd like to turn it into a (or a couple) 10 gallon partial mash using my 5 gallon MLT to mash speciality grains and as much base malt as I can (max out the MLT at 15 lbs), making up the difference with DME.
    I'd like something in the sessionable IPA area. Not epic big. Maybe 5%-6% and not face punch hoppy. I've been drinking SN Torpedo lately and love it's balance. Enough bitter and aroma without the heavy, thick feel of something like arrogant bastard. Also, I assume I'll have to fill in the blanks with new ingredients.
    Thoughts?
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
    Posts: 44,679
    this is your 60 minute addition
    Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 0.5oz, Mt. hood 5.2% 0.5oz - combined.

    use this at 20 minutes
    Palisade 7.3% 1.0oz, Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 1.0oz -combined.

    use this at 5 minutes
    Centennial 8.0% 2.3oz, Palisade 7.3% 1.7oz - combined in one package.

    dry hop with the extra palisade you talked about.

    pair it with maybe 7 or 8 pounds of DME and a half pound of 10L and half pound of victory for your specialty grains.


    that'll do ya.
  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
    Posts: 44,679
    oh and use S-05
  • jlwjlw
    Posts: 16,410
    I agree with Fry above. Two other options:
    1. Can you FWH a partial mash? If so you could consider moving either the Mt. Hood or the Cascade to FWH to bump up the IBU's.
    2. Also, starting at the 20 min addition you could spread out your additions in 5 min increments. I persoanlly like late additions for the flavor and aroma you get.
  • jlwjlw
    Posts: 16,410

    oh and use S-05



    S-05 is becoming my go to yeast for a lot of my beers and especially IPA's It's clean, cheaper than liquid and you don't need a starter for gravities under ~1.090. Even above that you are probably safe to just re-hydrate and pitch.
  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 47,487
    jlw said:

    oh and use S-05



    S-05 is becoming my go to yeast for a lot of my beers and especially IPA's It's clean, cheaper than liquid and you don't need a starter for gravities under ~1.090. Even above that you are probably safe to just re-hydrate and pitch.


    I use S-05 a lot. .. several folks have been fooled unto thinking that brews made with it were lagers ....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    But I like S-04 for IPAs... the fruitiness really goes well with an aggressive hop profile
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Oh.... yes you can FWH a partial mash .... let the hops steep for 20 minutes or so in the runnings before the boil
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  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 76,832

    this is your 60 minute addition
    Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 0.5oz, Mt. hood 5.2% 0.5oz - combined.

    use this at 20 minutes
    Palisade 7.3% 1.0oz, Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 1.0oz -combined.

    use this at 5 minutes
    Centennial 8.0% 2.3oz, Palisade 7.3% 1.7oz - combined in one package.

    dry hop with the extra palisade you talked about.

    pair it with maybe 7 or 8 pounds of DME and a half pound of 10L and half pound of victory for your specialty grains.


    that'll do ya.


    For a 10 gallon batch?
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  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 76,832
    jlw said:

    I agree with Fry above. Two other options:
    1. Can you FWH a partial mash? If so you could consider moving either the Mt. Hood or the Cascade to FWH to bump up the IBU's.
    2. Also, starting at the 20 min addition you could spread out your additions in 5 min increments. I persoanlly like late additions for the flavor and aroma you get.


    1) yes. I'm still going to mash ~15 pounds of grain. I'll just use the DME to fill in.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
    Posts: 44,679
    CB said:

    this is your 60 minute addition
    Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 0.5oz, Mt. hood 5.2% 0.5oz - combined.

    use this at 20 minutes
    Palisade 7.3% 1.0oz, Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 1.0oz -combined.

    use this at 5 minutes
    Centennial 8.0% 2.3oz, Palisade 7.3% 1.7oz - combined in one package.

    dry hop with the extra palisade you talked about.

    pair it with maybe 7 or 8 pounds of DME and a half pound of 10L and half pound of victory for your specialty grains.


    that'll do ya.


    For a 10 gallon batch?


    hell no son, you said you wanted an ipa.
  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 76,832

    CB said:

    this is your 60 minute addition
    Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 0.5oz, Mt. hood 5.2% 0.5oz - combined.

    use this at 20 minutes
    Palisade 7.3% 1.0oz, Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 1.0oz -combined.

    use this at 5 minutes
    Centennial 8.0% 2.3oz, Palisade 7.3% 1.7oz - combined in one package.

    dry hop with the extra palisade you talked about.

    pair it with maybe 7 or 8 pounds of DME and a half pound of 10L and half pound of victory for your specialty grains.


    that'll do ya.


    For a 10 gallon batch?


    hell no son, you said you wanted an ipa.


    Ha, I thought as much. I want to make a 10 gallon batch, so I have some scaling to do.
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
    Posts: 44,679
    you need to go buy more hops
  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 76,832

    you need to go buy more hops


    I expected as much. What and how many is what I'm driving for.
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  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 76,832
    I'll punch this in to hopville or something later tonight and put together an actual recipe.
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  • ThymThym
    Posts: 101,154
    You should have enough palisade to bump up each addition to 10 gallon levels.
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  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 76,832
    Lakewood said:

    You should have enough palisade to bump up each addition to 10 gallon levels.


    I just weighted the extra Palisade. There is 6+ oz there.

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  • ThymThym
    Posts: 101,154
    CB said:

    Lakewood said:

    You should have enough palisade to bump up each addition to 10 gallon levels.


    I just weighted the extra Palisade. There is 6+ oz there.



    You should definitely put all of that in.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
    Posts: 44,679
    Lakewood said:

    CB said:

    Lakewood said:

    You should have enough palisade to bump up each addition to 10 gallon levels.


    I just weighted the extra Palisade. There is 6+ oz there.



    You should definitely put all of that in.


    ayup
  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 76,832
    @Lakewood Any idea what the 14 oz of crushed grain in this it is?
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  • ThymThym
    Posts: 101,154
    CB said:

    @Lakewood Any idea what the 14 oz of crushed grain in this it is?



    it's all of the specialty grains from the wicked angel recipe. The DME covers the base malt from the posted recipe.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • ThymThym
    Posts: 101,154
    @CB
    from the 10Gal recipe...

    Carastan (Crystal), 15 1.5 6%
    Wheat Malt (GWM) 0.25 1%

    you can ratio the amounts, but basically it's Crystal 15 with a touch of Wheat.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 76,832
    Lakewood said:

    @CB
    from the 10Gal recipe...

    Carastan (Crystal), 15 1.5 6%
    Wheat Malt (GWM) 0.25 1%

    you can ratio the amounts, but basically it's Crystal 15 with a touch of Wheat.


    I'll assume it is scaled to that ratio.
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  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 76,832
    Specific Gravity
    1.064 OG
    (1.057 to 1.067)
    15.7° Plato
    1.017 FG
    (1.015 to 1.018)
    4.3° Plato
    Color
    6° SRM
    11° EBC
    Yellow to Gold

    Malt & Fermentables
    % LB OZ °L
    67% 14 ~ Great Western Premium 2-Row Malt
    29% 6 ~ Briess DME Golden Light
    3% ~ 10 Crystal 15L
    1% ~ 4 Wheat Malt

    Hops
    Usage Time OZ AA » IBU
    FWH 20 min ½ Cascade ~ pellet 5.5 » 3.6
    FWH 20 min ½ Mt. Hood ~ pellet 6.0 » 4.0
    boil 25 min 1 Cascade ~ pellet 5.5 » 8.3
    boil 25 min 1 Palisades ~ pellet 7.3 » 11.1
    boil 5 min 2 ¼ Centennial ~ pellet 8.0 » 7.8
    boil 5 min 1 ¾ Palisades ~ pellet 7.3 » 5.6

    Bitterness
    40.4 IBU
    ƒ: Tinseth
    0 HBU


    Yeast
    Safale US-05 Dry Yeast
    yeast in dry form with low to medium flocculation and 73% attenuation

    Alcohol
    6.3% ABV
    5.0% ABW

    Calories
    211
    per 12 oz.


    As you hop heads look at this and cringe for the lack of hops, remember I want an easy drinking low-mid hopped IPA (because I'm not a hop head). I still have 6oz of Palisades I could add in here anywhere or dry hop with.
    Should I add more Palisades to the FWH? If I do that do I need to add a balanced amount of Mt. Hood to the FWH?
    Should I get a different hop to Dry Hop?
    Will this be weak?
    Thoughts?
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  • frydogbrewsfrydogbrews
    Posts: 44,679
    i am fighting the urge to fly off on my rant about things like "session IPA's" and crap like that.

    bottom line, 40 IBU's is not an IPA. it looks like you're making a good old generic pale ale. nothing wrong with that, but its not an IPA.

    with the notoriety of "IPA" the past several years, it is being tacked onto way too many beer styles, making it a serious pain in my ass when i am purchase IPA's at a bar or store to try a new one and find out its a weakly hopped pale or something.

    *pretty proud of this, although it looks like a rant, i held back greatly! yay!
  • ThymThym
    Posts: 101,154

    i am fighting the urge to fly off on my rant about things like "session IPA's" and crap like that.

    bottom line, 40 IBU's is not an IPA. it looks like you're making a good old generic pale ale. nothing wrong with that, but its not an IPA.

    with the notoriety of "IPA" the past several years, it is being tacked onto way too many beer styles, making it a serious pain in my ass when i am purchase IPA's at a bar or store to try a new one and find out its a weakly hopped pale or something.

    *pretty proud of this, although it looks like a rant, i held back greatly! yay!



    While Fry is obviously way too emotional about the subject, he's right, this is just a pale ale or blonde. But there's nothing wrong with that. Enjoy.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny