Help me design a Pale Ale for these hops. - India Pale Ale (IPA) Discussions on Home Brew Forums

C_B

Centennial 8.0% 2.3oz, Palisade 7.3% 1.7oz - combined in one package.
Palisade 7.3% 1.0oz, Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 1.0oz -combined.
Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 0.5oz, Mt. hood 5.2% 0.5oz - combined.

So I received a 5 gallon extract kit with these hops plus some more Palisade and a pile of DME and some specialty grains that I haven't figured out yet. I don't want to do the kit as it was intended for a couple reasons.
I'd like to turn it into a (or a couple) 10 gallon partial mash using my 5 gallon MLT to mash speciality grains and as much base malt as I can (max out the MLT at 15 lbs), making up the difference with DME.
I'd like something in the sessionable IPA area. Not epic big. Maybe 5%-6% and not face punch hoppy. I've been drinking SN Torpedo lately and love it's balance. Enough bitter and aroma without the heavy, thick feel of something like arrogant bastard. Also, I assume I'll have to fill in the blanks with new ingredients.
Thoughts?

frydogbrews

this is your 60 minute addition
Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 0.5oz, Mt. hood 5.2% 0.5oz - combined.

use this at 20 minutes
Palisade 7.3% 1.0oz, Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 1.0oz -combined.

use this at 5 minutes
Centennial 8.0% 2.3oz, Palisade 7.3% 1.7oz - combined in one package.

dry hop with the extra palisade you talked about.

pair it with maybe 7 or 8 pounds of DME and a half pound of 10L and half pound of victory for your specialty grains.

that'll do ya.

frydogbrews

oh and use S-05

jlw

I agree with Fry above. Two other options:
1. Can you FWH a partial mash? If so you could consider moving either the Mt. Hood or the Cascade to FWH to bump up the IBU's.
2. Also, starting at the 20 min addition you could spread out your additions in 5 min increments. I persoanlly like late additions for the flavor and aroma you get.

jlw

frydogbrews said:
oh and use S-05

S-05 is becoming my go to yeast for a lot of my beers and especially IPA's It's clean, cheaper than liquid and you don't need a starter for gravities under ~1.090. Even above that you are probably safe to just re-hydrate and pitch.

ceannt

jlw said:

frydogbrews said:
oh and use S-05

S-05 is becoming my go to yeast for a lot of my beers and especially IPA's It's clean, cheaper than liquid and you don't need a starter for gravities under ~1.090. Even above that you are probably safe to just re-hydrate and pitch.

I use S-05 a lot. .. several folks have been fooled unto thinking that brews made with it were lagers ....

ceannt

But I like S-04 for IPAs... the fruitiness really goes well with an aggressive hop profile

ceannt

Oh.... yes you can FWH a partial mash .... let the hops steep for 20 minutes or so in the runnings before the boil

C_B

frydogbrews said:
this is your 60 minute addition
Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 0.5oz, Mt. hood 5.2% 0.5oz - combined.

use this at 20 minutes
Palisade 7.3% 1.0oz, Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 1.0oz -combined.

use this at 5 minutes
Centennial 8.0% 2.3oz, Palisade 7.3% 1.7oz - combined in one package.

dry hop with the extra palisade you talked about.

pair it with maybe 7 or 8 pounds of DME and a half pound of 10L and half pound of victory for your specialty grains.

that'll do ya.

For a 10 gallon batch?

C_B

jlw said:
I agree with Fry above. Two other options:
1. Can you FWH a partial mash? If so you could consider moving either the Mt. Hood or the Cascade to FWH to bump up the IBU's.
2. Also, starting at the 20 min addition you could spread out your additions in 5 min increments. I persoanlly like late additions for the flavor and aroma you get.

1) yes. I'm still going to mash ~15 pounds of grain. I'll just use the DME to fill in.

frydogbrews

CB said:

frydogbrews said:
this is your 60 minute addition
Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 0.5oz, Mt. hood 5.2% 0.5oz - combined.

use this at 20 minutes
Palisade 7.3% 1.0oz, Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 1.0oz -combined.

use this at 5 minutes
Centennial 8.0% 2.3oz, Palisade 7.3% 1.7oz - combined in one package.

dry hop with the extra palisade you talked about.

pair it with maybe 7 or 8 pounds of DME and a half pound of 10L and half pound of victory for your specialty grains.

that'll do ya.

For a 10 gallon batch?

hell no son, you said you wanted an ipa.

C_B

frydogbrews said:

CB said:

frydogbrews said:
this is your 60 minute addition
Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 0.5oz, Mt. hood 5.2% 0.5oz - combined.

use this at 20 minutes
Palisade 7.3% 1.0oz, Cascade (U.S.) 5.4% 1.0oz -combined.

use this at 5 minutes
Centennial 8.0% 2.3oz, Palisade 7.3% 1.7oz - combined in one package.

dry hop with the extra palisade you talked about.

pair it with maybe 7 or 8 pounds of DME and a half pound of 10L and half pound of victory for your specialty grains.

that'll do ya.

For a 10 gallon batch?

hell no son, you said you wanted an ipa.

Ha, I thought as much. I want to make a 10 gallon batch, so I have some scaling to do.

frydogbrews

you need to go buy more hops

C_B

frydogbrews said:
you need to go buy more hops

I expected as much. What and how many is what I'm driving for.

C_B

I'll punch this in to hopville or something later tonight and put together an actual recipe.

Lakewood

You should have enough palisade to bump up each addition to 10 gallon levels.

C_B

Lakewood said:
You should have enough palisade to bump up each addition to 10 gallon levels.

I just weighted the extra Palisade. There is 6+ oz there.

Lakewood

CB said:

Lakewood said:
You should have enough palisade to bump up each addition to 10 gallon levels.

I just weighted the extra Palisade. There is 6+ oz there.

You should definitely put all of that in.

frydogbrews

Lakewood said:

CB said:

Lakewood said:
You should have enough palisade to bump up each addition to 10 gallon levels.

I just weighted the extra Palisade. There is 6+ oz there.

You should definitely put all of that in.

ayup

C_B

@Lakewood Any idea what the 14 oz of crushed grain in this it is?

Lakewood

CB said:
@Lakewood Any idea what the 14 oz of crushed grain in this it is?

it's all of the specialty grains from the wicked angel recipe. The DME covers the base malt from the posted recipe.

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