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Mash Hopping?
  • djsethalldjsethall
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    Does anyone do it? What are your results? I just made an IPA the other day and am wondering what to expect. I am unable to upload the BSM file right now for some reason.


    20.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 62.02 %
    5.00 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 15.50 %
    5.00 lb Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 15.50 %
    1.25 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.88 %
    1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 3.10 %


    1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (90 min) (Mash Hop) Hops 2.7 IBU


    1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [17.90 %] (90 min) Hops 24.6 IBU
    1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (Dry Hop 10 days) Hops -
    1.00 oz Cluster [7.00 %] (60 min) Hops 9.0 IBU
    1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [17.90 %] (60 min) Hops 23.0 IBU
    1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (30 min) Hops 5.4 IBU
    1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (10 min) Hops 2.6 IBU
    0.63 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 min) Misc

    75 min Mash In Add 10.08 gal of water at 161.4 F 150.0 F
    10 min Mash Out Add 6.45 gal of water at 200.2 F 168.0 F

    I used a S-05 yeast for this. Second Generation

    Of course I am using my tried and trued RIMS/BIAB hybrid. I have high hopes for this one. I am almost wanting to add more hops on the next one, Maybe 3-4 ounces instead.
  • ThymThym
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    never done it. seems like it would be ineffective, but im no expert.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I first wort hop.. never tried in the mash... let us know how it turns out...
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  • JerryJerry
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    From what I've been told about hops; you won't get AA's unless it's boiling, and aroma/flavor boil off, so by that you'd get nothing from it... this is clearly not 100% true and i'd like to know how this works out.
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  • djsethalldjsethall
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    I could definitely smell the hops in the mashing phase.
  • C_BC_B
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    From what I've been told about hops; you won't get AA's unless it's boiling, and aroma/flavor boil off, so by that you'd get nothing from it... this is clearly not 100% true and i'd like to know how this works out.



    I've read that also, or at least the near boiling. But this seems contradictory to first wort hopping. You will get some AA's as the temp ramps up, but I don't understand where the benefit is.
    DJ, is this an exact recipe you have done before? The only difference is the mash hopping?
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  • djsethalldjsethall
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    I created this one on a whim. I guess in order to be more scientific, I would need to do two of the same beer at once in order to have a control.
  • jlwjlw
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    I've never done this but have often wondered if it would work? I'll be curious to see how it turns out.
  • C_BC_B
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    I imagine it makes the mash smell even more yummy.
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  • djsethalldjsethall
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    I just read this

    Mash Hopping
    Mash hopping is perhaps the most controversial and least used method of hopping in all of homebrewing and commercial craftbrewing. This hop application is basically an addition of hops to the mash itself, for whatever amount of time the grains are mashed, recirculated, and run off. This early process hopping contributes a relatively small addition of bittering units, but interjects a healthy dose of hop flavor.
    Pellet hops are typically preferred for this method due to their ability to break down and be absorbed into the mash, with the notion that the small hop particles will pass through the entire process and end up in the brew kettle. Whole leaf hops can also be used for this method. While whole leaf hops may not pass through the mash as effectively as pelletized hops, they still do a great job of flavoring (with some small amount of bitterness). Whole hops added during mash hopping also have the added bonus of increasing the filtration of the grain bed as it compacts during recirculation.
    Commercially, this method of hopping is used by Vinnie Cilurzno at Russian River Brewing Company for the highly acclaimed Pliney the Elder, Imperial India Pale Ale. This method of hopping was also used for the 2007 and 2008 winners of the “Best Damn Hoppy Beer in the Pacific Northwest” at Hop Madness. This technique applies only to all-grain and partial-mash brewing. Also keep in mind that the flavoring compounds extracted during mash hopping are best drawn from hops that have favorable oil and resin levels.
  • C_BC_B
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    djsethall said:

    I just read this


    Very interesting. I didn't realize this technique had any commercial applications. Let alone, good ones.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    how much flavor would even survive the boil though? logically, it would all be driven off and act more like a first wort hop.

    i might try this with some wet hops if i get a good yield this year.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Should be pretty much like a first wort hop, but for a much longer time..... I like the flavor from a first wort hop, so I may give this a try for an IPA....
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  • jlwjlw
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    ceannt said:

    Should be pretty much like a first wort hop, but for a much longer time..... I like the flavor from a first wort hop, so I may give this a try for an IPA....



    maybe a certain peper ipa?
  • ceanntceannt
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    jlw said:

    ceannt said:

    Should be pretty much like a first wort hop, but for a much longer time..... I like the flavor from a first wort hop, so I may give this a try for an IPA....



    maybe a certain peper ipa?


    How did you guess? ?? :)
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  • djsethalldjsethall
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    ceannt said:

    Should be pretty much like a first wort hop, but for a much longer time..... I like the flavor from a first wort hop, so I may give this a try for an IPA....



    Maybe put the peppers in the mash?
  • ThymThym
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    djsethall said:

    ceannt said:

    Should be pretty much like a first wort hop, but for a much longer time..... I like the flavor from a first wort hop, so I may give this a try for an IPA....



    Maybe put the peppers in the mash?


    That seems like a good idea to me. If i did a pepper beer id be looking for the flavor more than the hot.
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  • LothosLothos
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    djsethall said:

    ceannt said:

    Should be pretty much like a first wort hop, but for a much longer time..... I like the flavor from a first wort hop, so I may give this a try for an IPA....



    Maybe put the peppers in the mash?


    you would have to split them open to get the effect that you want
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  • LothosLothos
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    Lothos said:

    djsethall said:

    ceannt said:

    Should be pretty much like a first wort hop, but for a much longer time..... I like the flavor from a first wort hop, so I may give this a try for an IPA....



    Maybe put the peppers in the mash?


    you would have to split them open to get the effect that you want


    or put 1 pepper per bottle when capped
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  • djsethalldjsethall
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    This could provide a whole new use of peppers in beer. Different peppers have different flavors and varying extraction times could add even more profiles to a beer.

    Thym
  • LothosLothos
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    SO i just opened a new can of worms huh perplexing is'nt it
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  • djsethalldjsethall
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    Lothos said:

    SO i just opened a new can of worms huh perplexing is'nt it



    Yeah, thanks a$$hole. If I didn't have enough flavors to worry about?
  • LothosLothos
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    Your very welcome

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  • djsethalldjsethall
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    Lothos said:

    Your very welcome



    If I dabble in this and it turns out good, I will send you a sixer. Production rights will be mine, but you get a sixer
  • LothosLothos
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    djsethall said:

    Lothos said:

    SO i just opened a new can of worms huh perplexing is'nt it



    Yeah, thanks. If I didn't have enough flavors to worry about?


    well sorry good idea though
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  • LothosLothos
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    djsethall said:

    Lothos said:

    Your very welcome



    If I dabble in this and it turns out good, I will send you a sixer. Production rights will be mine, but you get a sixer


    well i would hope so
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