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Rye IPA
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
    Posts: 1,053
    I'm going to brew again in about a week and I am thinking rye IPA and another porter or a sam adams summer ale kinda thing with some lemon zest and grains of paradise. But I'll make another thread. This is what I have:


    HOP AA%
    columbus 12.8
    Magnum 11.6
    Cascade 6.6
    willamette 6
    Tettnanger 4
    Magnum 11.6
    cascade leaf 8.8
    crystal leaf 3.3

    Galena 13.2
    Nuggett 12.4
    Colombus 13.3
    Summit 15.5
    Warrior 16
    Willamette 4


    My malts:

    Two Row
    Marris Otter
    Crystal 60
    Crystal 120
    Vienna
    Aromatic
    Victory
    Unmalted Wheat
    Chocolate
    Flaked Rye
    Crystal 10
    Special B

    I'm not opposed to ordering something else but I feel like this should do it. About 6-8%abv is fine. Going for taste not drunk. I wouldn't mind having some good head as well.

    Thanks in advance
    Fly
  • LothosLothos
    Posts: 2,146
    Rye Humorator All-grain
    Color

    Stats
    OG 1.110
    FG 1.028
    IBU 33
    ABV 10.60 %
    SRM 15
    BJCP Style
    14C. Bock, Doppelbock

    Recipe Details
    Tasting Notes malty doppelbock with the familiar rye spicyness of a roggenbeer.
    Awards I've had requests for the recipe.
    Boil Volume 5.00 gallons
    Boil Time 180 minutes
    Batch Size 2.50 gallons
    Yeast Saflager S-23 (75% app. attenuation)
    Primary Fermentation glass 7 days
    Secondary Fermentation glass 62 days
    Other Fermentation dryhop 30 days before bottling, 1/4 oz. Perle
    Procedure 1 qt. per lb. Infusion mash at ph 5.2 at 150f for 40 min.- add 1 gallon 195f water to thin mash for 30 min. more.- Sparge at 170f to collect 4 gallons Boil for 3 hours adding hops as directed.

    Style Comparison
    Low High
    OG 1.073 1.110 1.120
    FG 1.018 1.028 1.030
    IBU 20 33 40
    SRM 12 15 30
    ABV 7.5 10.60 12

    Fermentables
    % Weight Weight (lbs) Grain Note Gravity Points Color
    39.5 % 4.00 American Two-row Pale Briess 44.4 1.8
    39.5 % 4.00 Flaked Rye generic 43.2 2.8
    19.7 % 2.00 American Vienna Briess 21.0 4.0
    1.3 % 0.13 American Chocolate 2 oz. 1.1 350.0
    10.13 109.7
    Hops
    % Wt Weight (oz) Hop Note Form AA% AAU Boil Time Utilization IBU
    50.0 % 0.50 Perle Pellet 7.7 3.9 60 0.243 28.0
    25.0 % 0.25 Perle Pellet 7.7 1.9 10 0.088 5.1
    25.0 % 0.25 Perle dry hop Pellet 7.7 1.9 0 0.000 0.0
    1.00 33.0
    Miscellaneous Ingredients

    1 tsp Irish Moss last 15 min.

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  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
    Posts: 1,053
    Thanks lothos. I should add a couple of things to show my limitations tho. OG 1.09 is just about my limit for my system. I suppose I could make smaller batches but really don't like going that route because the return on the time investment goes down. I'm limited because my system is Biab and I just can't lift much more wet grain than what it takes to make a 1.09ish beer.
  • jlwjlw
    Posts: 16,417
    Here is my rye ipa. Samples have tasted awesome and I am kegging tonight or Tuesday at the latest.

    BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
    Recipe: Rye IPA
    Brewer: Le Freak
    Asst Brewer:
    Style: American IPA
    TYPE: All Grain
    Taste: (30.0)

    Recipe Specifications
    --------------------------
    Boil Size: 6.93 gal
    Post Boil Volume: 5.72 gal
    Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
    Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
    Estimated OG: 1.064 SG
    Estimated Color: 13.7 SRM
    Estimated IBU: 77.0 IBUs
    Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
    Est Mash Efficiency: 82.5 %
    Boil Time: 60 Minutes

    Ingredients:
    ------------
    Amt Name Type # %/IBU
    9 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 75.0 %
    1 lbs 12.0 oz Rye, Flaked (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 14.6 %
    4.0 oz Chocolate Rye Malt (250.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.1 %
    1 lbs Caramel Wheat Malt (46.0 SRM) Grain 3 8.3 %
    1.25 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 55.5 IBUs
    0.25 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 40.0 min Hop 6 4.1 IBUs
    0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 7 5.7 IBUs
    2.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 8 5.8 IBUs
    0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 10 0.8 IBUs
    2.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
    2.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
    1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 11 -
    1.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 9 5.2 IBUs
    2.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs


    Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
    Total Grain Weight: 12 lbs
    ----------------------------
    Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
    Mash In Add 16.60 qt of water at 164.1 F 150.0 F 60 min

    Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (0.88gal, 3.59gal) of 168.0 F water
  • LothosLothos
    Posts: 2,146

    Thanks lothos. I should add a couple of things to show my limitations tho. OG 1.09 is just about my limit for my system. I suppose I could make smaller batches but really don't like going that route because the return on the time investment goes down. I'm limited because my system is Biab and I just can't lift much more wet grain than what it takes to make a 1.09ish beer.



    HELL THATS SMALL BATCH ONLY 10.13 LBS OF GRAIN
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,586
    jlw said:

    Here is my rye ipa. Samples have tasted awesome and I am kegging tonight or Tuesday at the latest.

    BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
    Recipe: Rye IPA
    Brewer: Le Freak
    Asst Brewer:
    Style: American IPA
    TYPE: All Grain
    Taste: (30.0)

    Recipe Specifications
    --------------------------
    Boil Size: 6.93 gal
    Post Boil Volume: 5.72 gal
    Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
    Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
    Estimated OG: 1.064 SG
    Estimated Color: 13.7 SRM
    Estimated IBU: 77.0 IBUs
    Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
    Est Mash Efficiency: 82.5 %
    Boil Time: 60 Minutes

    Ingredients:
    ------------
    Amt Name Type # %/IBU
    9 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 75.0 %
    1 lbs 12.0 oz Rye, Flaked (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 14.6 %
    4.0 oz Chocolate Rye Malt (250.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.1 %
    1 lbs Caramel Wheat Malt (46.0 SRM) Grain 3 8.3 %
    1.25 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 55.5 IBUs
    0.25 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 40.0 min Hop 6 4.1 IBUs
    0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 7 5.7 IBUs
    2.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 8 5.8 IBUs
    0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 10 0.8 IBUs
    2.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
    2.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
    1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 11 -
    1.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 9 5.2 IBUs
    2.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs


    Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
    Total Grain Weight: 12 lbs
    ----------------------------
    Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
    Mash In Add 16.60 qt of water at 164.1 F 150.0 F 60 min

    Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (0.88gal, 3.59gal) of 168.0 F water



    that looks delicious, and i'm not an ipa type of guy.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • LothosLothos
    Posts: 2,146
    Id make it light on the ABU drop back on the chinook and the centennials. Replace them with saas or UK KG
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,586
    Lothos said:

    Id make it light on the ABU drop back on the chinook and the centennials. Replace them with saas or UK KG



    no.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • LothosLothos
    Posts: 2,146
    NO No why not
    Ain't that a Bitch
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,586
    because saaz and ekg have no place in an american ipa
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,586
    they get deported!
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • LothosLothos
    Posts: 2,146
    so go with something else just not so damn bitter

    bitter beers have no place in my beer cooler

    Ain't that a Bitch
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,586
    Lothos said:

    so go with something else just not so damn bitter

    bitter beers have no place in my beer cooler



    i'd probably play with the hops a bit. move everything later and sneak in some tropical varieties. drop the ibu's a little, but as long as it's balanced well against the malt backbone, ibu's don't bother me.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
    Posts: 1,053
    I am thinking around 50-60 IBUs.

    I am kinda stuck with what I have now.

    What would this make in the right proportions?

    golden promise 9lbs
    flaked rye 1lb - 1.5lbs
    crystal 60 or 120 .5lb-1lb
    aromatic and/or victory and/or vienna .5lb-1lb (I really dont know what flavors these impart besides looking at the beer wiki malt chart and tasting them)
    small portion of unmalted wheat for head

    for a 1.065-1.070 OG

    Hop schedule to be determined.
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
    Posts: 1,053
    I'm about to make a vienna smash... i cant remember how much I have of a lot of this stuff but I have a lot of vienna. and a good amount of victory too I believe.
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
    Posts: 1,053
    Grains Weight (g) Weight LBS
    Total 7486 * 16.5040582
    Marris Otter 3994 8.805518859
    Two Row 2282 5.031725062
    Vienna 428 0.943448449
    Victory 285 0.628965633
    UM wheat 285 0.628965633
    crystal 120 68 0.150951752
    Crystal 60 143 0.314482816



    Hops:
    Magnum 28 60
    Cascade 28 30
    colombus 28 20
    Cascade 28 15
    colombus 28 5
    Cascade 28 0
    Cascade 60 dry hop


    So this turned out really freakin good. Say I used basically this same recipe with 1.5lbs of flaked rye or more or less. Would this be good? maybe take away the crystal malts? I like SN ruthless rye ipa and widmir brothers rye ipa. they both are brown/red in color. how close would this be?
  • ThymThym
    Posts: 102,350
    id probably just swap out the vienna and victory malts for rye and keep the crystal as it is.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • LothosLothos
    Posts: 2,146
    Ok what format is this

    Hops: ? time

    Magnum 28 60
    Cascade 28 30
    colombus 28 20
    Cascade 28 15
    colombus 28 5
    Cascade 28 0
    Cascade 60 dry hop

    what is the 28
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  • ThymThym
    Posts: 102,350
    Lothos said:

    Ok what format is this

    Hops: ? time

    Magnum 28 60
    Cascade 28 30
    colombus 28 20
    Cascade 28 15
    colombus 28 5
    Cascade 28 0
    Cascade 60 dry hop

    what is the 28



    i assume grams. but oz would be way more manly.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
    Posts: 1,053
    Lakewood said:

    Lothos said:

    Ok what format is this

    Hops: ? time

    Magnum 28 60
    Cascade 28 30
    colombus 28 20
    Cascade 28 15
    colombus 28 5
    Cascade 28 0
    Cascade 60 dry hop

    what is the 28



    i assume grams. but oz would be way more manly.


    way more expensive too...
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
    Posts: 1,053
    Do you think I could use all golden promise and forgo the MO? I know what I made this time is good but I get the feeling that Golden Promise is between MO and Two Row.
  • ThymThym
    Posts: 102,350
    you could. i would expect a bit of a change in the malt flavor, but not in detrimental way. just different, a little softer malt charecteristic
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
    Posts: 1,053
    great. I'll be making this tomorrow then. I hope US05 doesn't change it much.

    Just out of curiosity, what would the vienna and victory do to it?
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
    Posts: 1,053
    And should I alter the mash temp any with the rye?
  • ThymThym
    Posts: 102,350

    great. I'll be making this tomorrow then. I hope US05 doesn't change it much.

    Just out of curiosity, what would the vienna and victory do to it?



    Someone else may correct me here, but those two malt have pretty strong, distinctive flavor profiles. I think they may hide the earthy rye flavors and keep them from developing properly.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
    Posts: 1,053
    ok. I was just wondering.