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  • ceanntceannt
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    As stated in the “Old obscure Beer” thread…. This is an outlaw German beer intended to be consumed by farm workers during the harvest…. And I believe to be the forerunner of Bock. It was outlawed due to the small percentage of wheat (had to be 50% or not at all). I think what intrigues me the most about this one is the high hopping rate (for a dark German beer)

    SUMMARY

    (Original Gravity) O.G. = 1.065
    (Final Gravity) F.G. = 1.016
    (Bitterness) IBU = 46
    (Color) SRM = 24
    (Alcohol) APV = 6.3%
    Calories per 12-oz bottle =209

    For a 5 gallon batch…..

    Grain:
    Pounds: Type:

    10 Munich malt

    0.25 caramunich

    0.5 chocolate wheat

    2 red wheat

    Hops:
    Variety: Oz.: Boil Time:

    Spalt 2 60

    Spalt 2 5

    K-97 yeast
    This will require a decoction mash, with the primary rest at 156 degrees. I will probably just do a decoction to mash out, with a 30-minute decoction boil, and 20-minute sparge rests.

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  • ceanntceannt
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    The plan is to brew this in December once cold weather gets here. Timing may not be traditional… but that’s how I roll.


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  • Evan_BEvan_B
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    This sounds pretty good! I'll be interested to hear how this one comes out.
    Amigo, lay them raises down.
  • ceanntceannt
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    Evan_B said:

    This sounds pretty good! I'll be interested to hear how this one comes out.



    I'm all excited about it.... I would brew sooner, but it should probably ferment on the cool side.... and I doubt I could get it below 70 this time of year
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  • jlwjlw
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    ceannt said:

    Evan_B said:

    This sounds pretty good! I'll be interested to hear how this one comes out.



    I'm all excited about it.... I would brew sooner, but it should probably ferment on the cool side.... and I doubt I could get it below 70 this time of year


    You need a ferm chamber!
  • jlwjlw
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    Or better yet dig a lager cellar about 50 feet under ground.
  • ceanntceannt
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    jlw said:

    Or better yet dig a lager cellar about 50 feet under ground.



    One word ..... rock
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Mayhap I could just find me a cave
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  • ThymThym
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    :-w

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  • ceanntceannt
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    Lakewood said:

    :-w



    just checking to see if you read up.... ;)
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,574
    ernie beer? don't forget the rubber duck,

    image
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  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 48,080
    I was thinking of hanging little bitty rubber ducks on the bottle necks .... like Celebrator does the little goats .....
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    In beer there is freedom.
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  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 48,080
    Like these
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    In beer there is freedom.
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  • jlwjlw
    Posts: 16,417
    I like the goats. Those are cool. I need to pick that stuff up again.
  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 77,084
    ceannt said:

    As stated in the “Old obscure Beer” thread…. This is an outlaw German beer intended to be consumed by farm workers during the harvest…. And I believe to be the forerunner of Bock. It was outlawed due to the small percentage of wheat (had to be 50% or not at all). I think what intrigues me the most about this one is the high hopping rate (for a dark German beer)

    SUMMARY

    (Original Gravity) O.G. = 1.065
    (Final Gravity) F.G. = 1.016
    (Bitterness) IBU = 46
    (Color) SRM = 24
    (Alcohol) APV = 6.3%
    Calories per 12-oz bottle =209

    For a 5 gallon batch…..

    Grain:
    Pounds: Type:

    10 Munich malt

    0.25 caramunich

    0.5 chocolate wheat

    2 red wheat

    Hops:
    Variety: Oz.: Boil Time:

    Spalt 2 60

    Spalt 2 5

    K-97 yeast
    This will require a decoction mash, with the primary rest at 156 degrees. I will probably just do a decoction to mash out, with a 30-minute decoction boil, and 20-minute sparge rests.


    What is it with you and freakin' decoction mashes? This sounds good, but I'm not really interested in learning how to decoct.
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  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 48,080
    Decoctions are easy if a bit time consuming .... I only do them if I think the style really needs it ....
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    In beer there is freedom.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    They can add 2 or three hours on to a brewday .....
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,574
    ceannt said:

    Decoctions are easy if a bit time consuming .... I only do them if I think the style really needs it ....



    this. it makes really yummy beer, but it's also a long brew day.
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  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 77,084
    ceannt said:

    They can add 2 or three hours on to a brewday .....


    This here's the issue. I'll pass for now at least.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    The time is so worth it though ....
    of all the countless different decoction mash schedules .... doing it to mash out is the least time consuming .... and the least critical to hit target temperatures.... I pull them thick with lots of grain to get the most bang for my buck
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I was just thinking about decoction mashes.... and offer the following...

    There is nothing scary about them....
    Everybody should try it once... just to say that you did if nothing else...
    They really add a richness to the malt profile that you can't get any other way...
    In wine there is wisdom.
    In beer there is freedom.
    In water there is bacteria.
  • ceanntceannt
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    so there... :D
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,574
    ceannt said:

    I was just thinking about decoction mashes.... and offer the following...

    There is nothing scary about them....
    Everybody should try it once... just to say that you did if nothing else...
    They really add a richness to the malt profile that you can't get any other way...



    and it's really the only way to step mash in a cooler without recirculating.
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  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 48,080

    ceannt said:

    I was just thinking about decoction mashes.... and offer the following...

    There is nothing scary about them....
    Everybody should try it once... just to say that you did if nothing else...
    They really add a richness to the malt profile that you can't get any other way...



    and it's really the only way to step mash in a cooler without recirculating.

    Hey! Watch yer language! Don't be using the "r" word in my thread!
    In wine there is wisdom.
    In beer there is freedom.
    In water there is bacteria.
  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 77,084
    ceannt said:

    ceannt said:

    I was just thinking about decoction mashes.... and offer the following...

    There is nothing scary about them....
    Everybody should try it once... just to say that you did if nothing else...
    They really add a richness to the malt profile that you can't get any other way...



    and it's really the only way to step mash in a cooler without recirculating.

    Hey! Watch yer language! Don't be using the "r" word in my thread!


    Yeah! We'd hate to add technology to brewing.
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  • JerryJerry
    Posts: 74,318
    Kenteth, where are your foot notes? How did you come up with that gravity, grain ratio, fermetability, color, IBU ball park, & flavor hops?
    "Again?"
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