Erntebier
  • ceanntceannt
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    As stated in the “Old obscure Beer” thread…. This is an outlaw German beer intended to be consumed by farm workers during the harvest…. And I believe to be the forerunner of Bock. It was outlawed due to the small percentage of wheat (had to be 50% or not at all). I think what intrigues me the most about this one is the high hopping rate (for a dark German beer)

    SUMMARY

    (Original Gravity) O.G. = 1.065
    (Final Gravity) F.G. = 1.016
    (Bitterness) IBU = 46
    (Color) SRM = 24
    (Alcohol) APV = 6.3%
    Calories per 12-oz bottle =209

    For a 5 gallon batch…..

    Grain:
    Pounds: Type:

    10 Munich malt

    0.25 caramunich

    0.5 chocolate wheat

    2 red wheat

    Hops:
    Variety: Oz.: Boil Time:

    Spalt 2 60

    Spalt 2 5

    K-97 yeast
    This will require a decoction mash, with the primary rest at 156 degrees. I will probably just do a decoction to mash out, with a 30-minute decoction boil, and 20-minute sparge rests.

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  • ceanntceannt
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    The plan is to brew this in December once cold weather gets here. Timing may not be traditional… but that’s how I roll.


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  • Evan_BEvan_B
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    This sounds pretty good! I'll be interested to hear how this one comes out.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Evan_B said:

    This sounds pretty good! I'll be interested to hear how this one comes out.



    I'm all excited about it.... I would brew sooner, but it should probably ferment on the cool side.... and I doubt I could get it below 70 this time of year
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  • jlwjlw
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    ceannt said:

    Evan_B said:

    This sounds pretty good! I'll be interested to hear how this one comes out.



    I'm all excited about it.... I would brew sooner, but it should probably ferment on the cool side.... and I doubt I could get it below 70 this time of year


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  • jlwjlw
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    Or better yet dig a lager cellar about 50 feet under ground.
  • ceanntceannt
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    jlw said:

    Or better yet dig a lager cellar about 50 feet under ground.



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  • ceanntceannt
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    Mayhap I could just find me a cave
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  • ThymThym
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    :-w

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    Lakewood said:

    :-w



    just checking to see if you read up.... ;)
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    ernie beer? don't forget the rubber duck,

    image
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I was thinking of hanging little bitty rubber ducks on the bottle necks .... like Celebrator does the little goats .....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Like these
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  • jlwjlw
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    I like the goats. Those are cool. I need to pick that stuff up again.
  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    As stated in the “Old obscure Beer” thread…. This is an outlaw German beer intended to be consumed by farm workers during the harvest…. And I believe to be the forerunner of Bock. It was outlawed due to the small percentage of wheat (had to be 50% or not at all). I think what intrigues me the most about this one is the high hopping rate (for a dark German beer)

    SUMMARY

    (Original Gravity) O.G. = 1.065
    (Final Gravity) F.G. = 1.016
    (Bitterness) IBU = 46
    (Color) SRM = 24
    (Alcohol) APV = 6.3%
    Calories per 12-oz bottle =209

    For a 5 gallon batch…..

    Grain:
    Pounds: Type:

    10 Munich malt

    0.25 caramunich

    0.5 chocolate wheat

    2 red wheat

    Hops:
    Variety: Oz.: Boil Time:

    Spalt 2 60

    Spalt 2 5

    K-97 yeast
    This will require a decoction mash, with the primary rest at 156 degrees. I will probably just do a decoction to mash out, with a 30-minute decoction boil, and 20-minute sparge rests.


    What is it with you and freakin' decoction mashes? This sounds good, but I'm not really interested in learning how to decoct.
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    Decoctions are easy if a bit time consuming .... I only do them if I think the style really needs it ....
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    They can add 2 or three hours on to a brewday .....
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    Decoctions are easy if a bit time consuming .... I only do them if I think the style really needs it ....



    this. it makes really yummy beer, but it's also a long brew day.
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    ceannt said:

    They can add 2 or three hours on to a brewday .....


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    The time is so worth it though ....
    of all the countless different decoction mash schedules .... doing it to mash out is the least time consuming .... and the least critical to hit target temperatures.... I pull them thick with lots of grain to get the most bang for my buck
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I was just thinking about decoction mashes.... and offer the following...

    There is nothing scary about them....
    Everybody should try it once... just to say that you did if nothing else...
    They really add a richness to the malt profile that you can't get any other way...
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  • ceanntceannt
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    so there... :D
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    I was just thinking about decoction mashes.... and offer the following...

    There is nothing scary about them....
    Everybody should try it once... just to say that you did if nothing else...
    They really add a richness to the malt profile that you can't get any other way...



    and it's really the only way to step mash in a cooler without recirculating.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FromZwolle said:

    ceannt said:

    I was just thinking about decoction mashes.... and offer the following...

    There is nothing scary about them....
    Everybody should try it once... just to say that you did if nothing else...
    They really add a richness to the malt profile that you can't get any other way...



    and it's really the only way to step mash in a cooler without recirculating.

    Hey! Watch yer language! Don't be using the "r" word in my thread!
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    FromZwolle said:

    ceannt said:

    I was just thinking about decoction mashes.... and offer the following...

    There is nothing scary about them....
    Everybody should try it once... just to say that you did if nothing else...
    They really add a richness to the malt profile that you can't get any other way...



    and it's really the only way to step mash in a cooler without recirculating.

    Hey! Watch yer language! Don't be using the "r" word in my thread!


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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    Kenteth, where are your foot notes? How did you come up with that gravity, grain ratio, fermetability, color, IBU ball park, & flavor hops?
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    ceannt said:

    jlw said:

    Or better yet dig a lager cellar about 50 feet under ground.



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    dynamite.
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    video.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Dr_Jerryrigger said:

    Kenteth, where are your foot notes? How did you come up with that gravity, grain ratio, fermetability, color, IBU ball park, & flavor hops?


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  • ceanntceannt
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    footnotes? Most of the information existing on this beer is included in my first post of this thread.... A lot of assumptions, inferences and just plain old wild-ass guesses based on experience went in to the formulation of the recipe... Randy Mosher (who apparently read all the same old books that I did) suggests an IBU of 40, but I think he is on the low end.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    There would have been some significant regional variations in this kind of beer, (that's what Pops told me anyway... :-w ) but based on what little information I have, I should be fairly close
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    There would have been some significant regional variations in this kind of beer, (that's what Pops told me anyway... :-w ) but based on what little information I have, I should be fairly close


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  • ceanntceannt
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    OK children .... I think I am going to brew this next .... don't think I can wait a couple months for cold weather
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    ... for the same reason I don't buy green bananas ....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    So..... the nice man in the UPS truck dropped a box off on my front porch yesterday.....
    Ingredients are here!!!!
    I may not be able to brew this week-end (sad face) but will get this going as soon as I can... I will keep y'all posted
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  • ThymThym
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    sweet!
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Finally.... at long last.....
    It is brewed.
    This was one of the best smelling mashes ever!
    I would recommend some rice hulls or something.... draining the tun was very slow....
    All in all.... the perfect way to spend a Columbus day holiday!
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Right now it is happily fermenting away!

    I will post updates on its progress....
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  • ThymThym
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    ceannt said:

    Right now it is happily fermenting away!

    I will post updates on its progress....



    How did the color come out? what's the SG?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    Right now it is happily fermenting away!

    I will post updates on its progress....



    How did the color come out? what's the SG?


    color is just a tad darker than predicted.... maybe 26 or 27 SRM
    Gravity was also a tad higher 1.068... but I also had just a little less volume post boil, not a lot less, but a little
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  • ThymThym
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    no top off i assume.

    no pics?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Lakewood said:

    no top off i assume.

    no pics?



    Never ....
    I was going to take some ... I love the color .... but I was in a hurry there towards the end .... and clean forgot.
    I shall post a pic of the first gravity sample ...
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  • ThymThym
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    ceannt said:

    Lakewood said:

    no top off i assume.

    no pics?



    Never ....
    I was going to take some ... I love the color .... but I was in a hurry there towards the end .... and clean forgot.
    I shall post a pic of the first gravity sample ...


    sounds good.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    As promised ....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Color is very dark brown .... way more roasted character than I expected ... well balanced .. almost on line with a real brown porter ... but so rich ... even warm and flat this beer is spectacular .... my kind of beer
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Oh... gravity is at 1.011..... I will bottle here in about a week ....
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    If it lives up to its potential .... this could easily turn into one of my favorite styles ..
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    Color is very dark brown .... way more roasted character than I expected ... well balanced .. almost on line with a real brown porter ... but so rich ... even warm and flat this beer is spectacular .... my kind of beer



    Well that sounds delicious.
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    C_B said:

    ceannt said:

    Color is very dark brown .... way more roasted character than I expected ... well balanced .. almost on line with a real brown porter ... but so rich ... even warm and flat this beer is spectacular .... my kind of beer



    Well that sounds delicious.


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  • ThymThym
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    ceannt said:

    C_B said:

    ceannt said:

    Color is very dark brown .... way more roasted character than I expected ... well balanced .. almost on line with a real brown porter ... but so rich ... even warm and flat this beer is spectacular .... my kind of beer



    Well that sounds delicious.


    It took a lot of willpower to not draw another "sample "


    if you didnt take a second sample how can you be certain the first was accurate? Always take two samples.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    C_B said:

    ceannt said:

    Color is very dark brown .... way more roasted character than I expected ... well balanced .. almost on line with a real brown porter ... but so rich ... even warm and flat this beer is spectacular .... my kind of beer



    Well that sounds delicious.


    It took a lot of willpower to not draw another "sample "


    if you didnt take a second sample how can you be certain the first was accurate? Always take two samples.


    that was the excuse I was thinking of telling myself.....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    OK... all set to bottle first thing Saturday morning!



    with luck, I won't drink more than half of it whilst I am filling bottles.... :-O
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  • ThymThym
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    ceannt said:

    OK... all set to bottle first thing Saturday morning!



    with luck, I won't drink more than half of it whilst I am filling bottles.... :-O



    brewcast?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    OK... all set to bottle first thing Saturday morning!



    with luck, I won't drink more than half of it whilst I am filling bottles.... :-O



    brewcast?


    "bottlecast"?

    maybe.... I'll see how much time I can spend trying to set it up.... before I give up in a cloud of profanity.....
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    OK... all set to bottle first thing Saturday morning!



    with luck, I won't drink more than half of it whilst I am filling bottles.... :-O



    brewcast?


    "bottlecast"?

    maybe.... I'll see how much time I can spend trying to set it up.... before I give up in a cloud of profanity.....


    i'd rather watch a brewcast of that. :D
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    FromZwolle said:

    ceannt said:

    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    OK... all set to bottle first thing Saturday morning!



    with luck, I won't drink more than half of it whilst I am filling bottles.... :-O



    brewcast?


    "bottlecast"?

    maybe.... I'll see how much time I can spend trying to set it up.... before I give up in a cloud of profanity.....


    i'd rather watch a brewcast of that. :D


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  • ceanntceannt
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    well.... ended up not even taking any still pics... but at least this is in bottles now
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I'll give it time to carb up a little, and post an update...

    At bottling it was really good. Has a few suspicious looking bubbles.... no pelicule or anything, but I don't like the looks of the bubbles... it smells/tastes fine, no hint of sourness... but I am going to keep a close watch of the bottle caps (read daily) just in case...

    Going to be beyond upset if this stuff is infected...
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    it's boned. send it all to me and i'll give you and accurate description of how infected it is. ;)
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FromZwolle said:

    it's boned. send it all to me and i'll give you and accurate description of how infected it is. ;)


    I'm sure you would ......
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    ceannt said:

    well.... ended up not even taking any still pics... but at least this is in bottles now



    Yeah, it's not a good idea to take pics of a still. The photo shop guy might call the cops.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Dr_Jerryrigger said:

    ceannt said:

    well.... ended up not even taking any still pics... but at least this is in bottles now



    Yeah, it's not a good idea to take pics of a still. The photo shop guy might call the cops.


    Ha






    Ha
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Mmmmmmm
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  • C_BC_B
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    Yum!
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  • ThymThym
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    wow, that looks good.
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