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My First Grisette - For Your Review
  • CZsCZs
    Posts: 228
    Hey everyone. You might have read about the brief history of the Grisette - since having it for the first time a few months ago, it has stuck in my mind as being Saison-like, but even drier and slightly more spicy than a 3711. Researching this lost but now re-emerging style, there doesn't seem to be a lot of info out there other than the general history behind "grey", those attempting to add spiciness to the grain bill, and almost taking a nod from a Witte grain bill - with a quarter to half of the bill being wheat for a crisp bite, slight haze and good head retention.

    Here is my session Grisette, aka "Ocean Front Grisette" - appropriate summer-themed brew, named by the wife. Let me know what you think. It def is a grey beer - mysterious, doesn't lend itself to one particular style - spicy, yet citrusy, yet should be an easily drinkable brew, not too many are familiar with it - I'm a little surprised more noobs like myself don't get into it because it seems to be a forgiving brew and you can really make it your own, in the same spirit of a saison - except this was for the miners instead of the farmers. Anyways - let me know if you have any other additional info or experience drinking a Grisette and if you would change anything. Thanks!

    Estimated OG: 1.042 / Estimated FG: 1.000
    ABV: 4.45% / IBU: 26.40 / SRM: 3.35
    Boil Size: 7.5 gal / Batch Size: 5.5 gal / Boil Time: 75 min
    Yeast: Wyeast 3711 French Saison or Belle - not sure yet - thoughts?

    Fermentables:
    5.2 lbs Castle Pils/2-row - 58.1%
    1.5 lbs White Wheat - 16.8%
    1.25 lbs Unmalted Wheat - 14.0%
    0.5 lbs Rye - 5.6%
    0.5 lbs Flaked Oats - 5.6%

    Mash Steps
    125F 25 min rest
    150F 75 min mash
    170F Fly Sparge, followed by batch sparge

    Hops
    1 oz Citra (12 aa) - 10 min, 17.82 IBUs
    1 oz NZ Wakatu (8 aa) - 6.8 min, 8.58 IBUs

    Ferment 2 weeks
    prime with 4 oz cane, 1 oz turbinado solution in bucket
    Bottle for 4 weeks
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,129
    looking forward to how this turns out. i have a couple saison yeasts i need to try out.

    CZs
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 47,487
    Sounds good! I did a little research on this style a couple years ago... and was very dissapointed in the lack of information out there...

    What are the NZ Wakatu hops like????
    are they spicey? like a Noble hop?
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,129
    ceannt said:

    Sounds good! I did a little research on this style a couple years ago... and was very dissapointed in the lack of information out there...

    What are the NZ Wakatu hops like????
    are they spicey? like a Noble hop?



    similar to hallertau
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • CZsCZs
    Posts: 228
    ceannt said:

    Sounds good! I did a little research on this style a couple years ago... and was very dissapointed in the lack of information out there...

    What are the NZ Wakatu hops like????
    are they spicey? like a Noble hop?



    I get more lemon/limeness - it is supposed to be slightly less spicy then most Hallertaus - some use it in pale ales as bittering - moderate, dual purpose hop - I figured just like the Grisette itself, I would use something not widely used - at least that is what I'm gathering
  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 47,487
    Cool... never tried that variety...
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  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 47,487
    I dug through my old notes.....
    the tentative grain bill I came up with was fairly similar... Pilsner... 40% red wheat... bout the same amount of rye... only real difference was I didn't have the oats.. and I had a tiny bit of roasted barley in there to add a touch of color and to increase the perception of dryness in the finish... and I was thinking Spalt hops...

    I like where you are going with this... keep us posted!
    In wine there is wisdom.
    In beer there is freedom.
    In water there is bacteria.
  • CZsCZs
    Posts: 228
    ceannt said:

    I dug through my old notes.....
    the tentative grain bill I came up with was fairly similar... Pilsner... 40% red wheat... bout the same amount of rye... only real difference was I didn't have the oats.. and I had a tiny bit of roasted barley in there to add a touch of color and to increase the perception of dryness in the finish... and I was thinking Spalt hops...

    I like where you are going with this... keep us posted!



    hmm - never used red wheat, what would be the difference v. using white? is it just more of a complex feel than just a crispness?

    The wife had little say about the BDS brew, so, I'm letting the lime citrus theme w/ the hops stand on this one - got to keep her happy so I can brew the next one she isn't quite as interested in. I will keep Spalt in mind for my next dry one!
  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 47,487
    Not a whole lot of noticeable difference between red and white wheat ... at least to me .... I like the red a touch better ... gives a hint more of that soft maltyness ... either will add crispness
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  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 47,487
    I wouldn't even think of changing your hops ..... I have a suspicion that the "citrus" flavors in the original beer came from the yeast .... probably a yeast strain that you would never be able to replicate .... so if you can get that character some other way ..... why the heck not!
    In wine there is wisdom.
    In beer there is freedom.
    In water there is bacteria.
  • CZsCZs
    Posts: 228
    ceannt said:

    I wouldn't even think of changing your hops ..... I have a suspicion that the "citrus" flavors in the original beer came from the yeast .... probably a yeast strain that you would never be able to replicate .... so if you can get that character some other way ..... why the heck not!



    darn you! I have been going back and forth on harvesting and mixing strains and now I really want to. Would love to play with some Witte and Saison strains and see where it leads me - do you think 3724 might be a better candidate - I was wondering if 3711 would overtake a Witte.
  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 47,487
    CZs said:

    ceannt said:

    I wouldn't even think of changing your hops ..... I have a suspicion that the "citrus" flavors in the original beer came from the yeast .... probably a yeast strain that you would never be able to replicate .... so if you can get that character some other way ..... why the heck not!



    darn you! I have been going back and forth on harvesting and mixing strains and now I really want to. Would love to play with some Witte and Saison strains and see where it leads me - do you think 3724 might be a better candidate - I was wondering if 3711 would overtake a Witte.


    Ha!
    I just had to open that can of worms didn't I?
    Unfortunately ... I can be of no help at all with those strains ..... a couple of the other members may be able to help ...
    In wine there is wisdom.
    In beer there is freedom.
    In water there is bacteria.
  • CZsCZs
    Posts: 228
    ceannt said:

    CZs said:

    ceannt said:

    I wouldn't even think of changing your hops ..... I have a suspicion that the "citrus" flavors in the original beer came from the yeast .... probably a yeast strain that you would never be able to replicate .... so if you can get that character some other way ..... why the heck not!



    darn you! I have been going back and forth on harvesting and mixing strains and now I really want to. Would love to play with some Witte and Saison strains and see where it leads me - do you think 3724 might be a better candidate - I was wondering if 3711 would overtake a Witte.


    Ha!
    I just had to open that can of worms didn't I?
    Unfortunately ... I can be of no help at all with those strains ..... a couple of the other members may be able to help ...


    its all good - not truly ready for that adventure yet - got to let the wife enjoy brewing the Grisette and get through some other things first - need to research before even attempting - I'd have to have a "dedicated space that's not in the way" too
  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 47,487
    I used to know a guy... I lost touch with him after he moved... he was obsessed with culturing yeast... big time. He even planned his vacations to go to areas he wanted to "harvest" yeast... he made at least three trips to Belgium ... (his kitchen looked like a meth lab, and he had four chest freezers in the spare bedroom)
    I bet if you told him the part of Belgium, and what you were looking for, he could pull a test tube out of a freezer with exactly the right yeast....

    he was one weird, looney-tunes wacky crazy SOB.... but he knew yeast better than any one alive.....
    In wine there is wisdom.
    In beer there is freedom.
    In water there is bacteria.
  • CZsCZs
    Posts: 228
    ceannt said:

    I used to know a guy... I lost touch with him after he moved... he was obsessed with culturing yeast... big time. He even planned his vacations to go to areas he wanted to "harvest" yeast... he made at least three trips to Belgium ... (his kitchen looked like a meth lab, and he had four chest freezers in the spare bedroom)
    I bet if you told him the part of Belgium, and what you were looking for, he could pull a test tube out of a freezer with exactly the right yeast....

    he was one weird, looney-tunes wacky crazy SOB.... but he knew yeast better than any one alive.....



    holy hell - that is awesome and kinda' time consuming at the same time - not sure I have that kind of dedication - I could see doing a few different yeasts at a time, but that would probably be the extent of it - maybe I just need to connect with someone that I can trade some brews for yeast with, we shall see. In the meantime, gettin excited for this Grisette brew. Gonna grab some breakfast this Saturday a.m. and get started!
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,129
    CZs said:

    ceannt said:

    I used to know a guy... I lost touch with him after he moved... he was obsessed with culturing yeast... big time. He even planned his vacations to go to areas he wanted to "harvest" yeast... he made at least three trips to Belgium ... (his kitchen looked like a meth lab, and he had four chest freezers in the spare bedroom)
    I bet if you told him the part of Belgium, and what you were looking for, he could pull a test tube out of a freezer with exactly the right yeast....

    he was one weird, looney-tunes wacky crazy SOB.... but he knew yeast better than any one alive.....



    maybe I just need to connect with someone that I can trade some brews for yeast with, we shall see.


    homebrew club?
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • CZsCZs
    Posts: 228

    CZs said:

    ceannt said:

    I used to know a guy... I lost touch with him after he moved... he was obsessed with culturing yeast... big time. He even planned his vacations to go to areas he wanted to "harvest" yeast... he made at least three trips to Belgium ... (his kitchen looked like a meth lab, and he had four chest freezers in the spare bedroom)
    I bet if you told him the part of Belgium, and what you were looking for, he could pull a test tube out of a freezer with exactly the right yeast....

    he was one weird, looney-tunes wacky crazy SOB.... but he knew yeast better than any one alive.....



    maybe I just need to connect with someone that I can trade some brews for yeast with, we shall see.


    homebrew club?


    exactly what I was thinking - going to go to a class at a nearby brew shop too and I'll go from there
  • ceanntceannt
    Posts: 47,487
    CZs said:

    ceannt said:

    I used to know a guy... I lost touch with him after he moved... he was obsessed with culturing yeast... big time. He even planned his vacations to go to areas he wanted to "harvest" yeast... he made at least three trips to Belgium ... (his kitchen looked like a meth lab, and he had four chest freezers in the spare bedroom)
    I bet if you told him the part of Belgium, and what you were looking for, he could pull a test tube out of a freezer with exactly the right yeast....

    he was one weird, looney-tunes wacky crazy SOB.... but he knew yeast better than any one alive.....



    holy hell - that is awesome and kinda' time consuming at the same time - not sure I have that kind of dedication - I could see doing a few different yeasts at a time, but that would probably be the extent of it - maybe I just need to connect with someone that I can trade some brews for yeast with, we shall see. In the meantime, gettin excited for this Grisette brew. Gonna grab some breakfast this Saturday a.m. and get started!


    Yeah .... he spent more time playing with yeast than he did at work .... he was single .... he even got into intentionally mutating ... he developed one strain that literally gave off the smell of vomit ...."that one didn't go so well " and yes ... he put several test tubes of it and glycerine in a freezer ... "never know when you might want to play a nasty trick on someone "
    In wine there is wisdom.
    In beer there is freedom.
    In water there is bacteria.
  • CZsCZs
    Posts: 228
    ceannt said:

    CZs said:

    ceannt said:

    I used to know a guy... I lost touch with him after he moved... he was obsessed with culturing yeast... big time. He even planned his vacations to go to areas he wanted to "harvest" yeast... he made at least three trips to Belgium ... (his kitchen looked like a meth lab, and he had four chest freezers in the spare bedroom)
    I bet if you told him the part of Belgium, and what you were looking for, he could pull a test tube out of a freezer with exactly the right yeast....

    he was one weird, looney-tunes wacky crazy SOB.... but he knew yeast better than any one alive.....



    holy hell - that is awesome and kinda' time consuming at the same time - not sure I have that kind of dedication - I could see doing a few different yeasts at a time, but that would probably be the extent of it - maybe I just need to connect with someone that I can trade some brews for yeast with, we shall see. In the meantime, gettin excited for this Grisette brew. Gonna grab some breakfast this Saturday a.m. and get started!


    Yeah .... he spent more time playing with yeast than he did at work .... he was single .... he even got into intentionally mutating ... he developed one strain that literally gave off the smell of vomit ...."that one didn't go so well " and yes ... he put several test tubes of it and glycerine in a freezer ... "never know when you might want to play a nasty trick on someone "


    sorry, my brain processed "intentionally mutating" into "something regarding X-Men" - I was highly considering taking a day off of work for a brew day, but then reconsidered once the wife asked me about going to New Orleans for a long weekend. Need to save up for those vacation days! We were talking about taking a fall road trip up (we're East Coasters) through a few states and visiting different breweries and some haunted inns - we're big horror flick fans as well. Thought it might be an interesting, relaxing "Brews and Boos" trip.
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,129
    CZs said:

    ceannt said:

    CZs said:

    ceannt said:

    I used to know a guy... I lost touch with him after he moved... he was obsessed with culturing yeast... big time. He even planned his vacations to go to areas he wanted to "harvest" yeast... he made at least three trips to Belgium ... (his kitchen looked like a meth lab, and he had four chest freezers in the spare bedroom)
    I bet if you told him the part of Belgium, and what you were looking for, he could pull a test tube out of a freezer with exactly the right yeast....

    he was one weird, looney-tunes wacky crazy SOB.... but he knew yeast better than any one alive.....



    holy hell - that is awesome and kinda' time consuming at the same time - not sure I have that kind of dedication - I could see doing a few different yeasts at a time, but that would probably be the extent of it - maybe I just need to connect with someone that I can trade some brews for yeast with, we shall see. In the meantime, gettin excited for this Grisette brew. Gonna grab some breakfast this Saturday a.m. and get started!


    Yeah .... he spent more time playing with yeast than he did at work .... he was single .... he even got into intentionally mutating ... he developed one strain that literally gave off the smell of vomit ...."that one didn't go so well " and yes ... he put several test tubes of it and glycerine in a freezer ... "never know when you might want to play a nasty trick on someone "


    sorry, my brain processed "intentionally mutating" into "something regarding X-Men" - I was highly considering taking a day off of work for a brew day, but then reconsidered once the wife asked me about going to New Orleans for a long weekend. Need to save up for those vacation days! We were talking about taking a fall road trip up (we're East Coasters) through a few states and visiting different breweries and some haunted inns - we're big horror flick fans as well. Thought it might be an interesting, relaxing "Brews and Boos" trip.


    there's a 'haunted' jail next to a brewpub that i like to visit a few times a year. i've been meaning to take the tour, but haven't found the free time yet. sounds like a good trip.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • CZsCZs
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    CZs said:

    ceannt said:

    CZs said:

    ceannt said:

    I used to know a guy... I lost touch with him after he moved... he was obsessed with culturing yeast... big time. He even planned his vacations to go to areas he wanted to "harvest" yeast... he made at least three trips to Belgium ... (his kitchen looked like a meth lab, and he had four chest freezers in the spare bedroom)
    I bet if you told him the part of Belgium, and what you were looking for, he could pull a test tube out of a freezer with exactly the right yeast....

    he was one weird, looney-tunes wacky crazy SOB.... but he knew yeast better than any one alive.....



    holy hell - that is awesome and kinda' time consuming at the same time - not sure I have that kind of dedication - I could see doing a few different yeasts at a time, but that would probably be the extent of it - maybe I just need to connect with someone that I can trade some brews for yeast with, we shall see. In the meantime, gettin excited for this Grisette brew. Gonna grab some breakfast this Saturday a.m. and get started!


    Yeah .... he spent more time playing with yeast than he did at work .... he was single .... he even got into intentionally mutating ... he developed one strain that literally gave off the smell of vomit ...."that one didn't go so well " and yes ... he put several test tubes of it and glycerine in a freezer ... "never know when you might want to play a nasty trick on someone "


    sorry, my brain processed "intentionally mutating" into "something regarding X-Men" - I was highly considering taking a day off of work for a brew day, but then reconsidered once the wife asked me about going to New Orleans for a long weekend. Need to save up for those vacation days! We were talking about taking a fall road trip up (we're East Coasters) through a few states and visiting different breweries and some haunted inns - we're big horror flick fans as well. Thought it might be an interesting, relaxing "Brews and Boos" trip.


    there's a 'haunted' jail next to a brewpub that i like to visit a few times a year. i've been meaning to take the tour, but haven't found the free time yet. sounds like a good trip.


    our initial convos have included visiting Flying Dog (MD), Brewer's Alley (MD), Appalachian Brewing Company (PA), Iron Hill (PA), Allagash (ME), Ommegang (NY) - anyone that can suggest any eastern breweries, would be appreciated!

    We've been to Gettysburg 5 billion times but love it around October, same with Lancaster - South Central PA / Northern MD is becoming quite the brew belt - great country combined with great brews and great history between Frederick, Gettysburg, Lancaster - highly suggest taking a trip if you ever get the chance.
  • ThymThym
    Posts: 101,154
    That sounds like an awesome road trip. Being from the west coast, I really dont know where anything is on the eastern 95% of the US. But if you want to tours some breweries out here, I can help! PS. June 7th & 8th San Diego Brewery tour!!!

    http://homebrewforums.net/discussion/721/san-diego-brewery-tour
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  • CZsCZs
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    Lakewood said:

    That sounds like an awesome road trip. Being from the west coast, I really dont know where anything is on the eastern 95% of the US. But if you want to tours some breweries out here, I can help! PS. June 7th & 8th San Diego Brewery tour!!!

    http://homebrewforums.net/discussion/721/san-diego-brewery-tour



    I'd love to - sometime I will get back out to California and do some serious sight seeing and brew touring - doing New Orleans around the same time for the wife's 30th :)
  • ThymThym
    Posts: 101,154
    CZs said:

    Lakewood said:

    That sounds like an awesome road trip. Being from the west coast, I really dont know where anything is on the eastern 95% of the US. But if you want to tours some breweries out here, I can help! PS. June 7th & 8th San Diego Brewery tour!!!

    http://homebrewforums.net/discussion/721/san-diego-brewery-tour



    I'd love to - sometime I will get back out to California and do some serious sight seeing and brew touring - doing New Orleans around the same time for the wife's 30th :)


    that sounds fun too!
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • CZsCZs
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    I guess Midwest is in a transition period - finally getting my Grisette supplies shipped to me for this weekend. When I first complained a week ago (ordered it on 4/23 - finally shipping as of 2 a.m. eastern) they refunded me the shipping charge. Then, they gave me $25.00 gift card for next purchase. Basically this brew is only going to be $10! Aka - 21 cents a bottle! I was getting really irritated by the 2 week wait, but it really worked out better than I could ever hope for.

    EDIT: Actually, that was the bulk order - not using some of the grain so this brew is the cheapest brew in the history of man
  • ThymThym
    Posts: 101,154
    CZs said:

    I guess Midwest is in a transition period - finally getting my Grisette supplies shipped to me for this weekend. When I first complained a week ago (ordered it on 4/23 - finally shipping as of 2 a.m. eastern) they refunded me the shipping charge. Then, they gave me $25.00 gift card for next purchase. Basically this brew is only going to be $10! Aka - 21 cents a bottle! I was getting really irritated by the 2 week wait, but it really worked out better than I could ever hope for.

    EDIT: Actually, that was the bulk order - not using some of the grain so this brew is the cheapest brew in the history of man



    Ha! Awesome. I'd gladly wait even longer for a deal like that.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny