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Wit vs Hefe Question
  • C_BC_B
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    This discussion was created from comments split from: Your Desert Island Beers.
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  • C_BC_B
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    C_dubbs said:

    Lakewood said:

    C_dubbs said:

    The website says Blue Moon was inspired by "Belgian style Wits". i stand corrected.



    yeah... inspired....

    Maybe when it was first brewed.


    i've had it both before and after the budwiener corp bought it. there is a significant change in the product.

    it was never a good wit, but now it tastes like bud light with a little wheat in the grist.

    Yeah it's better than that. I'm honestly still not sure what a wit is supposed to be compared to a hefe.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Ok. I need some help. I like Blue Moon. Apparently it was originally inspired by Belgian Wits. I thought it was "supposed" to be a hefe. I thought wits were generally spicy where hefes were more fruity and smooth. What style am I actually talking about?
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  • C_BC_B
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    What I WANT is a wheaty, fruity beer with just a hint of spice. Not too thick or bready, but I do want a little in there. And lots of citrusy goodness. Like Blue Moon but not quite as thin.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    C_dubbs said:

    What I WANT is a wheaty, fruity beer with just a hint of spice. Not too thick or bready, but I do want a little in there. And lots of citrusy goodness. Like Blue Moon but not quite as thin.



    http://homebrewforums.net/discussion/80#Item_13

    ThymC_B
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  • C_BC_B
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    C_dubbs said:

    What I WANT is a wheaty, fruity beer with just a hint of spice. Not too thick or bready, but I do want a little in there. And lots of citrusy goodness. Like Blue Moon but not quite as thin.



    http://homebrewforums.net/discussion/80#Item_13

    Ha. Ok. I should have remembered that.
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  • ThymThym
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    C_dubbs said:

    What I WANT is a wheaty, fruity beer with just a hint of spice. Not too thick or bready, but I do want a little in there. And lots of citrusy goodness. Like Blue Moon but not quite as thin.



    that sounds like a belgian wit.
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  • ThymThym
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    Lakewood said:

    C_dubbs said:

    What I WANT is a wheaty, fruity beer with just a hint of spice. Not too thick or bready, but I do want a little in there. And lots of citrusy goodness. Like Blue Moon but not quite as thin.



    that sounds like a belgian wit.


    oh and looky down there at the related discussions thingy!!
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    hefe is a delicious beer style, characterized by the yeast profile. there are fruity esters, commonly described as bubblegum and banana, but don't really taste like either in my opinion. these are almost always offset by phenols that are described as clove like.

    whereas wit is more dominate in wheat malt character and is often flavored with adjuncts like orange peel and coriander. there is a bit more pepper flavor to the phenols that a wit yeast puts out as well. it's gentle, but decidedly different from the phenols that you get from a 'hefe' yeast.
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  • ThymThym
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    hefe is a delicious beer style, characterized by the yeast profile. there are fruity esters, commonly described as bubblegum and banana, but don't really taste like either in my opinion. these are almost always offset by phenols that are described as clove like.

    whereas wit is more dominate in wheat malt character and is often flavored with adjuncts like orange peel and coriander. there is a bit more pepper flavor to the phenols that a wit yeast puts out as well. it's gentle, but decidedly different from the phenols that you get from a 'hefe' yeast.



    yes.

    and many wit examples will also have a slightly sour tang to them. Its sort of a sour dough flavor. The next time i brew snow storm i plan on adjust the grain bill a bit to get some acidulated malt in there.
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  • C_BC_B
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    hefe is a delicious beer style, characterized by the yeast profile. there are fruity esters, commonly described as bubblegum and banana, but don't really taste like either in my opinion. these are almost always offset by phenols that are described as clove like.

    whereas wit is more dominate in wheat malt character and is often flavored with adjuncts like orange peel and coriander. there is a bit more pepper flavor to the phenols that a wit yeast puts out as well. it's gentle, but decidedly different from the phenols that you get from a 'hefe' yeast.


    That's exactly the description I was looking for.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    Lakewood said:

    hefe is a delicious beer style, characterized by the yeast profile. there are fruity esters, commonly described as bubblegum and banana, but don't really taste like either in my opinion. these are almost always offset by phenols that are described as clove like.

    whereas wit is more dominate in wheat malt character and is often flavored with adjuncts like orange peel and coriander. there is a bit more pepper flavor to the phenols that a wit yeast puts out as well. it's gentle, but decidedly different from the phenols that you get from a 'hefe' yeast.



    yes.

    and many wit examples will also have a slightly sour tang to them. Its sort of a sour dough flavor. The next time i brew snow storm i plan on adjust the grain bill a bit to get some acidulated malt in there.


    soured wits are delicious. i plan on doing one with my soured wort.
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  • ThymThym
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    Lakewood said:

    hefe is a delicious beer style, characterized by the yeast profile. there are fruity esters, commonly described as bubblegum and banana, but don't really taste like either in my opinion. these are almost always offset by phenols that are described as clove like.

    whereas wit is more dominate in wheat malt character and is often flavored with adjuncts like orange peel and coriander. there is a bit more pepper flavor to the phenols that a wit yeast puts out as well. it's gentle, but decidedly different from the phenols that you get from a 'hefe' yeast.



    yes.

    and many wit examples will also have a slightly sour tang to them. Its sort of a sour dough flavor. The next time i brew snow storm i plan on adjust the grain bill a bit to get some acidulated malt in there.


    soured wits are delicious. i plan on doing one with my soured wort.


    i look forward to hearing how that turns out. i'm going to go for the acidulated malt, it seems easier and something i can do any time.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • jlwjlw
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    Another beer style you could consider is a Saison.
  • C_BC_B
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    jlw said:

    Another beer style you could consider is a Saison.



    Yes maybe. I really know nothing about this style. I'm not even sure how to pronounce it.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    C_dubbs said:

    jlw said:

    Another beer style you could consider is a Saison.



    Yes maybe. I really know nothing about this style. I'm not even sure how to pronounce it.


    soy-soon.
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  • jlwjlw
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    C_dubbs said:

    jlw said:

    Another beer style you could consider is a Saison.



    Yes maybe. I really know nothing about this style. I'm not even sure how to pronounce it.


    soy-soon.


    lol
  • jlwjlw
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    Next time you are at a nice beer bar you should order a soy-soon
  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    jlw said:

    Next time you are at a nice beer bar you should order a soy-soon



    and follow it up with a nice west coast eeepah.
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  • ThymThym
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    you guys are jerks.
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  • ThymThym
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    Saison (French, "season," French pronunciation: ​[sɛ.zɔ̃])

    pretty much Seh-zon
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  • jlwjlw
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    Lakewood said:

    you guys are jerks.



    ayup
  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    What would be the difference in recipe between heffeweizen and Belgian wit? How about brew one batch, split it in two and use Belgian yeast and a heffeweizen yeast, see how they differ. Is it all the yeast in this case? Comments?
  • jlwjlw
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    Benvarine said:

    What would be the difference in recipe between heffeweizen and Belgian wit? How about brew one batch, split it in two and use Belgian yeast and a heffeweizen yeast, see how they differ. Is it all the yeast in this case? Comments?



    I haven't brewed a wit before but I think FZ nailed it. Hefe's are Yeast forward beers and derive much or most of their flavor from the yeast used. If a wit is malt driven then I would suppose the flavor is coming from the grain.
  • C_BC_B
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    Lakewood said:

    you guys are jerks.



    Yes.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Lakewood said:

    Saison (French, "season," French pronunciation: ​[sɛ.zɔ̃])

    pretty much Seh-zon


    That's about what I thought.
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