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Recommendations for a SMaSH?
  • C_BC_B
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    I want to do a SMaSH. Mainly because I want to learn more about how individual hops and malts stand alone. That's the point, right?
    I generally like malty over hoppy, but I'm beginning to get into smoother hoppy beers. I'm thinking one 5 gallon batch mashed and then split into two boil kettles and hit each with different hops. This way I can do it stovetop instead of going outside. Plus I'll have two beers!
    Any recommendations?
    "On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,892
    vienna as a base malt, then go with two vastly different hops. like say, amarillo/citra/cascade in the one and nugget/chinook/willamette in the other. that way you'll have a nice solid malt backbone and you'll have one bright citrusy beer and one that's more earthy.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 77,647
    What sort of abv should I shoot for? 4.5%- 5% maybe?
    I'll have some WLP001 or WLP007 that I could use on this. Either of those sound good? I could do different yeast in each of the two batches or the same in both. I think same in both, that would be easier since it only means one starter....
    "On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    i'd use the 001 for both. and shoot for around 5%.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • ThymThym
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    I agree. Switching yeasts will impart a flavor difference that will mask the hop comparison.
    001 is pretty neutral so the base malt and hops should shine through.
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny
  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 77,647
    try this....

    5.25 gallon batch (mash) split into (2) 2.75 gallon boils (post boil volume)
    10 lbs Vienna Malt should give me 1.051 OG

    split it after the mash and sparge
    -add 1 oz Cascade at 60 minutes to one half (36.9 IBU)
    -add .5 oz Nugget at 60 minutes to the other half (43.6 IBU)

    Estimated FG - 1.012
    Estimated abv - 4.7%

    I'm concerned about how hoppy these will be. I really have little experience with this. Should I back off the hops?
    "On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 77,647
    Hmmm, I figured all that on a 5 gallon batch and then splitting it. Brew Target is annoyed when I put in each batch individually.... I should probably get better at using this software.
    "On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,892

    try this....

    5.25 gallon batch (mash) split into (2) 2.75 gallon boils (post boil volume)
    10 lbs Vienna Malt should give me 1.051 OG

    split it after the mash and sparge
    -add 1 oz Cascade at 60 minutes to one half (36.9 IBU)
    -add .5 oz Nugget at 60 minutes to the other half (43.6 IBU)

    Estimated FG - 1.012
    Estimated abv - 4.7%

    I'm concerned about how hoppy these will be. I really have little experience with this. Should I back off the hops?



    i'd get some of those hops into later additions to get the ibu's down and the flavor up. i don't like cascade for a single addition bittering hop. it's great as a smash, but you need flavor additions to round it out.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,892
    i'd aim for the ibu's to be around 20-25, see chart below for reference:

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    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,892
    should be nice and malty, but still balanced.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • C_BC_B
    Posts: 77,647
    Second effort.....

    Batch 1
    2.5 gallons
    5# Vienna malt
    .5 oz Cascade (5.5%AA) 60 minutes 19.1 IBU
    1 oz Cascade (5.5%AA) 5 minutes 7.6 IBU
    1.059 OG
    26.7 IBU
    5.8% abv
    WLP001

    Batch 2
    2.5 gallons
    5# Vienna malt
    .2 oz Nugget (13%AA) 60 minutes 18.1 IBU
    .5 oz Nugget (13%AA) 5 minutes 9.0 IBU
    1.059 OG
    27.1 IBU
    5.8% abv
    WLP001


    Mash at 151*?
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,892
    they both sound delicious.
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • FuzzyFuzzy
    Posts: 46,892
    dry hop on the cascade half or no?
    "Oh, you were serious? I was drunk."-C_B
  • C_BC_B
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    dry hop on the cascade half or no?


    I'm not against that. This is a total experiment. Other than apple graff and apfelwein, I have only done kits (extract and AG). So maybe I will.
    "On it. I hate software." ~Cpt Snarklepants
  • flyfisherwesflyfisherwes
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    What sort of abv should I shoot for? 4.5%- 5% maybe?
    I'll have some WLP001 or WLP007 that I could use on this. Either of those sound good? I could do different yeast in each of the two batches or the same in both. I think same in both, that would be easier since it only means one starter....



    one variable at a time. scientific method.

  • ThymThym
    Posts: 103,819

    What sort of abv should I shoot for? 4.5%- 5% maybe?
    I'll have some WLP001 or WLP007 that I could use on this. Either of those sound good? I could do different yeast in each of the two batches or the same in both. I think same in both, that would be easier since it only means one starter....



    one variable at a time. scientific method.



    Theres always design of experiments...
    The only thing between me and a train wreck is blind luck..... - Kenny