BeerSmith Conversions
  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    I have just started using BeerSmith. Seems great, but I am having some trouble n regards to quantity of grain for all extract w/grain recipes. I found a simple hefeweizen on Hopville, calls for 7 lbs Wheat LME, 10 oz each of Pilsner and wheat malt. 5 gallon batch. Entered into BeerSmith, says OG around 1.012, Hopville receipe said 1.048. When I adjusted BeerSmith to 1048, it calculated 37 lbs of extract. What the hell is wrong with that. That actually put it within the style guidelines, but I am clearly doing something wrong.
  • LothosLothos
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    Benvarine said:

    I have just started using BeerSmith. Seems great, but I am having some trouble n regards to quantity of grain for all extract w/grain recipes. I found a simple hefeweizen on Hopville, calls for 7 lbs Wheat LME, 10 oz each of Pilsner and wheat malt. 5 gallon batch. Entered into BeerSmith, says OG around 1.012, Hopville receipe said 1.048. When I adjusted BeerSmith to 1048, it calculated 37 lbs of extract. What the hell is wrong with that. That actually put it within the style guidelines, but I am clearly doing something wrong.



    which recipe is it ill load it into my program and see what i get
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  • LothosLothos
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    OK maybe I wont
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  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    That's really odd. Quick estimation would suggest BS is the one that's off there. Make sure you have the right batch size selected. And note that it will tell you to make ~5.5gal for a 5 gal batch (due to trub loss), and make sure you eff% is set right for the given grains and extracts.
    I don't really like BS... seems great in theory but it kind of takes the fun out of it, at least for me.
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  • djsethalldjsethall
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    I love BS.
  • JayrizzleJayrizzle
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    djsethall said:

    I love BS.



    coming from the master of BS
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  • djsethalldjsethall
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    Dr_Jerryrigger said:

    djsethall said:

    I love BS.



    coming from the master of BS


    Hell fire, at least someone recognizes it. Pretty much sure you all recognize it though
  • LothosLothos
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    lol i dont use BS i use Beertools
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  • ThymThym
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    I use my own tools. I never got good results from beersmith.
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  • jlwjlw
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    I use BS but there have been times where calculations just seemed off.
  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    http://hopville.com/recipe/683277/weizen-weissbier-recipes/hefeweizen. Here is the Hopville recipe. Anyone else have a good hefeweizen?
  • jlwjlw
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    I do. Let me find it and I will attach.
  • jlwjlw
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    http://www.homebrewforums.net/discussion/39/ewalds-weissbier-ag#Item_2

    I can upload the bsm file when I get home. For what its worth when I designed this recipe I wanted to stay true to the Reinheitsgebot.
  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    jlw said:

    http://www.homebrewforums.net/discussion/39/ewalds-weissbier-ag#Item_2

    I can upload the bsm file when I get home. For what its worth when I designed this recipe I wanted to stay true to the Reinheitsgebot.



    I entered your reciepe, converted to extract, and it still has rice hulls in the ingredients. Is that necessary? What do I do with rice hulls if that is the case?
  • jlwjlw
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    The rice hulls add nothing to the beer so I would think you can just not put them in there. The only thing they do is help prevent a struck sparge from the wheat.
  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    Ok, that's what I thought. Thanks.
  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    I also just looked at the BS reciepes that come with it, Lloyds Krispy Kolsh calls for 32 lbs of Carapils. Can that be right for a 5 gallon batch of extract?
  • jlwjlw
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    Benvarine said:

    I also just looked at the BS reciepes that come with it, Lloyds Krispy Kolsh calls for 32 lbs of Carapils. Can that be right for a 5 gallon batch of extract?



    That can't be right. At the top of your recipe design page make sure you have 5 gallon batch.
  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    That one is thier recipe, I did nothing, but it lends to the argument that they have problems in their software, unless I am doing someting wrong.
  • LothosLothos
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    ok here is what i got from that hopville one

    New Recipe
    0- Untitled Style

    Size: 5.24 gal
    Efficiency: 81.0%
    Attenuation: 75.0%
    Calories: 187.24 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

    Original Gravity: 1.056 (1.000 - 1.100)
    Terminal Gravity: 1.014 (1.000 - 1.100)
    Color: 11.05 (0.0 - 50.0)
    Alcohol: 5.53% (0.0% - 10.0%)
    Bitterness: 20.6 (0.0 - 50.0)

    Ingredients:
    7.0 lb (84.8%) Liquid Wheat Extract - added during boil, boiled 60 m
    10 oz (7.6%) Pilsner Malt - steeped before boil
    10 oz (7.6%) Wheat Malt - steeped before boil
    0.7 oz (100.0%) Perle (8.3%) - added during boil, boiled 60 m
    1.0 tsp Irish Moss - added during boil, boiled 10 m
    1.0 ea Danstar WB-06 Munich Wheat Beer


    Results generated by BeerTools Pro 1.5.22
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    That looks better. I wonder where the issue is or what I am doing wrong. Thanks.
  • LothosLothos
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    welcome
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    Ok, I figured it out, I put in Lothos receipe as he listed it, and I compared the one I entered, I was not entering wheat malt extract, but simply wheat malt, accidently added that instead of extract, makes sense that the OG was so low. Thanks.

    Still does not account for that Krispy Kolsh in their menu. I am determined to find out what I am doing wrong.
  • LothosLothos
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    Krispy Kolsh in their menu??

    i didnt see that any where
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    Ok, so now that you say that, I went back, and it is gone. That receipe is what I have been playing with tonight to make a Kolsh. I will start a new thread in recipes that has the Summer Kolsh I am playing it apprers to be within guidelines, but the ABV is too high, not sure how to bring it down.
  • LothosLothos
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    send to me in message and ill check it out
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  • LothosLothos
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    i love the program i use its 20.00 for a year with updates
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    I can't even figure out how to export. I read the directions online at BeerSmith, but I can't figure it out. This shit is frustrating.
  • LothosLothos
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    just copy and paste it to here
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    Type: Extract Date: 4/24/2012
    Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal Brewer: Ben Grossman

    Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: Stainless Kegs (10 Gal/37.8 L) - All Grain
    End of Boil Volume 6.24 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
    Final Bottling Volume: 4.25 gal Est Mash Efficiency 0.0 %
    Fermentation: Ale, Primary Straight to Keg Taste Rating(out of 50): 45.0

    Ingredients


    Ingredients
    Amt Name Type # %/IBU
    1.00 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 1 23.7 IBUs
    0.25 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 2 3.6 IBUs
    1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 3 -
    1.0 pkg German Ale (Wyeast Labs #1007) [124.21 ml] Yeast 4 -
    2 lbs Pale Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM) Extract 5 28.6 %
    5 lbs Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Sugar 6 71.4 %

    Beer Profile

    Est Original Gravity: 1.047 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.049 SG
    Est Final Gravity: 0.996 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
    Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.7 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 5.1 %
    Bitterness: 27.3 IBUs Calories: 161.8 kcal/12oz
    Est Color: 4.1 SRM
    Mash Profile

    Mash Name: BIAB, Light Body Total Grain Weight: 7 lbs
    Sparge Water: 1.23 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
    Sparge Temperature: 168.1 F Tun Temperature: 72.0 F
    Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5.20

    Carbonation Type: Keg Volumes of CO2: 2.3
    Pressure/Weight: 12.54 PSI Carbonation Used: Keg with 12.54 PSI
    Keg/Bottling Temperature: 45.0 F Age for: 0.00 days
    Fermentation: Ale, Primary Straight to Keg Storage Temperature: 39.2 F
  • LothosLothos
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    ok might be a problem

    Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: Stainless Kegs (10 Gal/37.8 L) - All Grain
    End of Boil Volume 6.24 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
    Final Bottling Volume: 4.25 gal Est Mash Efficiency 0.0 %
    Fermentation: Ale, Primary Straight to Keg Taste Rating(out of 50): 45.0
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  • LothosLothos
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    here's what i got from that recipe
    but my Efficiency is 81 to 82 %

    New Recipe
    0- Untitled Style

    Size: 6.0 gal
    Efficiency: 81.0%
    Attenuation: 75.0%
    Calories: 106.72 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

    Original Gravity: 1.032 (1.000 - 1.100)
    Terminal Gravity: 1.008 (1.000 - 1.100)
    Color: 2.68 (0.0 - 50.0)
    Alcohol: 3.16% (0.0% - 10.0%) <---(ITS KINDA LOW THERE ID BUMP THAT UP)<br />Bitterness: 16.0 (0.0 - 50.0)

    Ingredients:
    2.0 lb (28.6%) Pale Liquid - added during boil, boiled 60 m
    5.0 lb (71.4%) Cara-Pils® Malt - added during mash
    1.0 oz (80.0%) Hallertauer Hersbrucker (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 60 m
    0.25 oz (20.0%) Hallertauer Hersbrucker (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 20 m
    1.0 tsp Whirlfloc Tablets (Irish moss) - added during boil, boiled 15 m
    1.0 ea WYeast 1007 German Ale™

    Results generated by BeerTools Pro 1.5.22
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
    Posts: 1,606
    The stainless steel keg w/all grain comment is just the standard for BS, I have a keg, and they automatically assume you are using it for all grain, but I have extract listed in the recipe type.

    I have not paid much attention to the bottling volume, maybe that is an issue for me. It has estimated pre-boil volumes and post boil volumes, and I have found them way off, probably due to many factors, rate of boil, etc. The last two beers I brewed w/BS I added their recommended pre-boil and ended up over 6g at the end, I typically stick to around 6.5 g and end up w/around 5 or so to put in the primary, with around 4.5 at bottling.

    I don't know about mash efficiency. Isn't that for all-grain, or how should I address that?
  • LothosLothos
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    thats grain
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    I just looked back, you can't change mash efficiency manually with extract. Again, I am pretty new at BS.
  • LothosLothos
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    lol
    i posted the orange blossom
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
    Posts: 1,606
    I saw it, put it in BS as well, looks good. Thanks. So as an extract, what are your comments about the ABV? Also, I posted that recipe in a new string.
  • LothosLothos
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    check your summer kolsch i kicked it up a notch
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  • jlwjlw
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    For what its worth I looked at the same BS recipe and this what I see on my software:


    BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
    Recipe: Lloyd's Krispy Kolsch
    Brewer: BIABrewer.info
    Asst Brewer: Designed by Lloyd Powell
    Style: Kölsch
    TYPE: All Grain
    Taste: (45.0) This recipe can produce very different beers depending on the mash and fermentaion temperatures used. For a very crisp, clean, lager-like beer, mash at 63 C or 145 F and keep active fermentation to 14 C or 57 F. For a more fruity kolsch mash at 65 C or 149 F and keep active fermentation to 17 C. Using Safale K97 or Fermentis US-05 are some other ways of changing the resulting beer. Source: Lloyd Powell

    Recipe Specifications
    --------------------------
    Boil Size: 8.01 gal
    Post Boil Volume: 6.09 gal
    Batch Size (fermenter): 5.02 gal
    Bottling Volume: 4.65 gal
    Estimated OG: 1.049 SG
    Estimated Color: 3.7 SRM
    Estimated IBU: 27.0 IBUs
    Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
    Est Mash Efficiency: 81.7 %
    Boil Time: 90 Minutes

    Ingredients:
    ------------
    Amt Name Type # %/IBU
    0.41 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 6 -
    7 lbs 2.3 oz Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 75.0 %
    1 lbs 14.5 oz Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 2 20.0 %
    7.6 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3 5.0 %
    0.59 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 5 6.3 IBUs
    1.17 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 20.7 IBUs
    0.8 pkg German Ale (Wyeast Labs #1007) [124.21 m Yeast 7 -


    Mash Schedule: BIAB, Light Body
    Total Grain Weight: 9 lbs 8.4 oz
    ----------------------------
    Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
    Saccharification Add 34.85 qt of water at 157.1 F 150.0 F 90 min
    Mash Out Heat to 168.0 F over 7 min 168.0 F 10 min

    Sparge: Remove grains, and prepare to boil wort
    Notes:
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