CB's (Kenny's) Peetermann
  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    OK ... a suggestion for your basement floor ....
    do a Peetermann ... hope I got the spelling right ...
    Its like a dark wit ...
    pilsner malt ... wheat malt ... a bit of munich and chocolate wheat ... double the hops of a normal wit ... and add a touch of cloves and cinnamon with the coriander



    ceannt said:

    Oh.... should be a good bit stronger than a normal wit too ... O.G. up in the 50s



    So goes the build thread for this. Ima try to brew Sunday.

    Here is the recipe?

    I Just slapped some hops in there so I could save the recipe. What do you'ins think about the grain bill? I have centennial and nugget hops in the freezer already. I don't think either of those would fit very well....
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    more munich!
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    FromZwolle said:

    more munich!



    He said a bit. I wasn't sure how much? I need to keep it under 15 lbs.
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    C_B said:

    FromZwolle said:

    more munich!



    He said a bit. I wasn't sure how much? I need to keep it under 15 lbs.


    up to you how much, but i always say more munich is better. for my particular tastes, i'd go for 1-2# in a ten gallon batch, otherwise it might get buried under the roasted malts.
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  • C_BC_B
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    From what I understand, I like Munich. What about 5 lbs?
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    C_B said:

    From what I understand, I like Munich. What about 5 lbs?



    that's probably too much for the 'style', whatever that is, but munich is my favorite malt. so it'd still be tasty in my book.
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    FromZwolle said:

    C_B said:

    From what I understand, I like Munich. What about 5 lbs?



    that's probably too much for the 'style', whatever that is, but munich is my favorite malt. so it'd still be tasty in my book.

    We're talking about a style that is older than Kenny. I'm not too worried about it. But I'll prolly trim it back anyway.
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  • C_BC_B
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    I also have WGV.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Finally got rid of the company and checked it out .... 5 pounds is probably too much munich .... but I would leave it ... it will be good .... double the chocolate wheat .. and kick the IBU up to the mid 20s.. the late addition is perfect
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    Brew it!
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  • C_BC_B
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    Try this on for size.

    What do you think about the hops? Something else? Would WGV be good in here? Maybe drop the Hallertau at 30 and drop an ounce of WGV at 20? I don't know...

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    C_B said:

    Try this on for size.

    What do you think about the hops? Something else? Would WGV be good in here? Maybe drop the Hallertau at 30 and drop an ounce of WGV at 20? I don't know...



    The Hallertau is perfect ... maybe just move it to 10 or 5 minutes and bump up the bittering addition ...
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    Not sure how much late additions went into them ... but Hallertau is pretty subtle
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    hallertau mittelfru (spelling?) would be perfect for this beer. it's my favorite of all the hallers.
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  • C_BC_B
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    mmk. I'll see what AA the have when I go. I'm not going to buy an extra ounce just to gain an IBU or two.
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    You can almost use anything for the bittering addition ... except the nugget ... too resiny ... the cascade is fine
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    You can almost use anything for the bittering addition ... except the nugget ... too resiny ... the cascade is fine



    i use magnum for all my german beers. it's high AA, but very clean so you don't have to use much.
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    and you won't get any detectable flavor/aroma messing around with the malty goodness.
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    FromZwolle said:

    ceannt said:

    You can almost use anything for the bittering addition ... except the nugget ... too resiny ... the cascade is fine



    i use magnum for all my german beers. it's high AA, but very clean so you don't have to use much.


    This ... Perle is good too .... I want to try Magnum as an aroma hop sometime ...
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    ceannt said:

    You can almost use anything for the bittering addition ... except the nugget ... too resiny ... the cascade is fine



    So Centennial would work?
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    I have Centennial.
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    What is Nugget good for and why do I have half a pound of it?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Centennial will work just fine in a pinch
    .. for a 60 minute addition
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    Nugget is great for big aggressive murikan beers ... pair it with something like Chinook or similar
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    Centennial will work just fine in a pinch
    .. for a 60 minute addition


    Right... for the 60. But I don't like your "in a pinch" term. I'll be at the LHBS. I could easily get Cascade. Or anything else. But I could save a couple bucks and use Centennial.

    Which is what Ima do unless you freak out on me.
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    ceannt said:

    Nugget is great for big aggressive murikan beers ... pair it with something like Chinook or similar


    I know nothing about Chinook. But maybe put nugget in a hoppy barleywine for the bittering addition?
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    Ha! Magnum would be cleaner is all ... the Centennial will be good ... might even add a little zing
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    C_B said:

    ceannt said:

    Nugget is great for big aggressive murikan beers ... pair it with something like Chinook or similar


    I know nothing about Chinook. But maybe put nugget in a hoppy barleywine for the bittering addition?


    Perfect
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    Ha! Magnum would be cleaner is all ... the Centennial will be good ... might even add a little zing


    done and done.
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    C_B said:

    ceannt said:

    Ha! Magnum would be cleaner is all ... the Centennial will be good ... might even add a little zing


    done and done.

    Cool
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    Plus with the Centennial I can tweak to exactly what IBUs I want. Since I have a whole bag.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    Nugget is great for big aggressive murikan beers ... pair it with something like Chinook or similar



    awesome in a stout, porter, or a brown. i like it paired up with a citrusy hop for pale ales/hoppy ambers too.
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    C_B said:

    ceannt said:

    Centennial will work just fine in a pinch
    .. for a 60 minute addition


    Right... for the 60. But I don't like your "in a pinch" term. I'll be at the LHBS. I could easily get Cascade. Or anything else. But I could save a couple bucks and use Centennial.

    Which is what Ima do unless you freak out on me.


    i routinely use hops that i try and dislike for my bittering. not a good plan for a cream ale, or clean lager, but with something that has a decent amount of flavor and/or late hop additions, it's a great way to use up some hops you don't want.
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    what little flavor it does impart is masked by the late hops or the roasty/carmelly flavors of the malt.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Mmk. Ingredients bought. I adjusted the recipe to match the ingredients I and quantities I bought. Also match the AA of the hops I have and bought. I doubt I'll get to brew it tomorrow, maybe next Sunday. I think my effecency should be a bit higher than 70%, so I'll probably be up in the mid 50's OG.
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    so.... you get this brewed yet??????????????????????????????
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    so.... you get this brewed yet??????????????????????????????


    No. I worked last weekend overnight. This Sunday has the potential of being gorgeous weather if I don't work. I have the ingredients though. So I have no excuse but time.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I'm in the same boat .... ingredients for the Kotbusser are just sitting there patiently waiting for me to find the time to brew ... sad face
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I hate seeing a week-end go by... ingredients on hand... no brewing... :((
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    ceannt said:

    I hate seeing a week-end go by... ingredients on hand... no brewing... :((


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    C_B said:

    ceannt said:

    I hate seeing a week-end go by... ingredients on hand... no brewing... :((


    This. Twice.
    This weekend is looking like a 50/50 shot.

    For me too ....
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    make it happen.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    FromZwolle said:

    make it happen.



    easier said than done....
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  • FuzzyFuzzy
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    ceannt said:

    FromZwolle said:

    make it happen.



    easier said than done....


    make it happen.
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    Oh noes! A parrot hacked fz's account!
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    ceannt said:

    Oh noes! A parrot hacked fz's account!



    bawk, make it happen!
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Fzzy wanna cracker?
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  • C_BC_B
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    Belgian wit yeast. Gonna be a bit of an underpitch. Not bad under pitch, just less than recommended. It'll probably be fine.
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  • C_BC_B
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    So what about a mash temp here... 151?
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  • C_BC_B
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    No rush, I have strike water heating.... @ceannt
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Ha! How about 152?
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    Ha! How about 152?


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    Good
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  • C_BC_B
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    Take another look at the recipe. I adjusted it for what I actually used. Midnight wheat. Oups. It's really dark. Really really dark. I'll postie a picture when my phone gets charged back up. OG came out to 1.056. I added 10 oz of regular DME to get preboil up a bit. I also have a few pics of the crush for reviewing also. Hydro sample tasted good. But I've never been able to tell much by that.
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    First runnings. It looks like motor oil in this picture. It was darker in reality...
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    Should be dark .... so that's a win
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    Great picture
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    Should be dark .... so that's a win



    I've made stouts that were lighter than this.
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    C_B said:

    ceannt said:

    Should be dark .... so that's a win



    I've made stouts that were lighter than this.


    too funny
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    I think it is awesome that two extinct beer styles were brewed on the same day... very different, but equally obscure... makes me happy
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    ceannt said:

    I think it is awesome that two extinct beer styles were brewed on the same day... very different, but equally obscure... makes me happy



    It is pretty cool. Ima send you a couple bottles of this. Since it was your idea and all.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Couple notes on this.. I pitched yeast yesterday evening. It was chugging along at the 6 hour mark at about 70*. At the 16 hour mark it was up to 73*. Now at the 34ish hour its up to 77. Ima cool it down a degree or two over night then set the ferm controller on 74 or 75.
    Guess I should have set it up from the start....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I would think that a lot of esters would be appropriate ... so you are on the right track ... give it a nice long primary though
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    I would think that a lot of esters would be appropriate ... so you are on the right track ... give it a nice long primary though



    For sure.

    It's back down to 72* this morning. Who knew we would get a low of 62* in July? I'm going to check the gravity and then set up the ferm chamber. If nothing else to keep it from swinging back and forth so much. Also, airlock activity has ceased. Ima roust it daily to hopefully keep it from stalling out.
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    And what are you calling long? Three to four weeks?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    C_B said:

    And what are you calling long? Three to four weeks?


    4 or 5.... at least
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  • C_BC_B
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    Checked the gravity. The skinny bucket is 1.010 and the short chubby bucket is 1.015. In less than 48 hours. And I was worried about underpitching...
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    Wow ....
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    ceannt said:

    Wow ....



    Yeah. I hope it isn't hot. Like rubbing alcohol hot.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    It will be fine ... just let the little yeasties clean up after themselves
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  • C_BC_B
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    Annnnnnd both buckets are at 1.008.
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  • C_BC_B
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    Ima leave it a couple more weeks.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    So.... whats it taste like so far??????
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    So.... whats it taste like so far??????


    I used the wine thief to sample. No taste. I figured with this cold I wouldn't have been able to taste much.
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Boo!
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  • ceanntceannt
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    So ...... have you given this a taste yet????
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  • C_BC_B
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    Negative. Maybe tonight?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    And? ............


    Well?????
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  • C_BC_B
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    Negative. I'll be home Sunday and itching to get it in kegs.
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    Lame ....
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  • C_BC_B
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    Kegged. Amazingly clear for as dark as it is. I don't get much in the aroma department. The taste (warm and flat) is interesting. I sampled the bucket that finished at 1.008. It had a residual sweetness that scares me because the other bucket finished at 1.011ish. The first think I noticed was it was definitely a wheat beer. Got that right up front. There is a silky smoothness that finishes thick on the tongue. Overall flavor is good, but I'm expecting carbonation to take the edge off of the sweetness.
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    weird that it would finish so dry... and still be sweet...
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    weird that it would finish so dry... and still be sweet...


    I am not good at judging warm flat beer. The silkiness I'm getting may be tricking me. We'll see what its like cold and carbed.
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    C_B said:

    ceannt said:

    weird that it would finish so dry... and still be sweet...


    I am not good at judging warm flat beer. The silkiness I'm getting may be tricking me. We'll see what its like cold and carbed.


    Cool.... keep me posted!
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    ceannt said:

    weird that it would finish so dry... and still be sweet...



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    Lakewood said:

    ceannt said:

    weird that it would finish so dry... and still be sweet...



    Its from the milk.

    I did use fresh Jersey milk this time. So much more cream and butterfat than normal Holstein milk.
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  • C_BC_B
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    It's getting better. Smooth. What I thought was sweetness is something else. Smoothness. I don't know how else to describe it. I really need to get a sample out.
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    You make me laugh ....

    The funny thing is ... I know what you are trying to say ... and can't explain it either ...
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    Now that its been on gas for two weeks it has a wonderfully creamy head that laces well.
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    Mmmmm
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    Mmmmm


    I need to get a couple samples out. Yeast samples, that is.
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    C_B said:

    Now that its been on gas for two weeks it has a wonderfully creamy head that laces well.



    oh... that looks like something i would like to drink until i could drink no more.
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    C_B said:

    Now that its been on gas for two weeks it has a wonderfully creamy head that laces well.



    she's purdy. :x
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