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Overshooting extract SG on BeerSmith
  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    I put all my recipes in BeerSmith before brewing. I have overshot the starting gravity on a few extract recipes by 10 points, 1.064 instead of 1.054. What the hell is going on? If its the software, what can I do. Could I be doing something during the brewing process? My volumes seem ok, but I do notice BS estimates starting volumes much higher than I use. I don't get nearly the boil off.
  • C_BC_B
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    Starting volumes shouldn't matter if you're post boil volume is the same. Do you know what BS thinks is the potential PPG? Everything else being equal I would check that.
    Globe says Erie PA, analytics says Honolulu, it's just CB ~Lakewood
  • ceanntceannt
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    Yeah .... check what your suppliers claims the potential gravity points are ... and compare to what the software is calculating with ... not all extracts are created equal
    From the sweat of man, and God's love.... beer came into the world
  • LakewoodLakewood
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    maybe post the recipe so we can see what BS is doing
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    How do you guys post the recipes so nicely here?
  • LakewoodLakewood
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    Benvarine said:

    How do you guys post the recipes so nicely here?



    I think BS has an HTML formatted output
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  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    I can't figure it out, I tried the help section and still don't know what the hell I'm doing but I can't get a report run except the print preview.
  • LakewoodLakewood
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    @jlw uses BS I think. If he can't help I'll try figuring out.
    Baby Charlotte has arrived.
  • C_BC_B
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    Benvarine said:

    How do you guys post the recipes so nicely here?


    I copy and paste from Hopville and then go all format ninja on it's ass with the space bar and delete key.
    Globe says Erie PA, analytics says Honolulu, it's just CB ~Lakewood
  • jlwjlw
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    Sorry, just now picking up this email and question. Busy last night I know is no excuse.

    I'll look into the original question today since I am working from home and can look on my lap top.

    as for the the posting recipes it's simple.

    1. On the main screen where the recipes are listed select the recipe with single click (you don't want to open)
    2. In the recipe view window in the upper right hand corner is a drop down box titles "recipe report". Select "Plain Text"
    3. Highlight the recipe for a copy/paste function. Right click and select copy then paste to wherever you want to paste.

    If you do a ctrl+C it will not work. I use a lot of short cut keys and make this mistake all the time. However, once you have the recipe successfully copied you can use ctrl+V to paste here or anywhere else.
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    Wee Heavy, Black Saison, Hopped Robust Porter, Renegade Rye IPA

    Scheduled 2012: IPA, Eisbock, RIS for next Christmas, Black Rye IIPA
    Q1 2013: Oktoberfest, IIPA, Saison
    Q2 2013: Hefe, Porter
  • jlwjlw
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    @Benvarine see above
    On tap:
    Ewald's Altbier
    Bottle:
    Wee Heavy, Black Saison, Hopped Robust Porter, Renegade Rye IPA

    Scheduled 2012: IPA, Eisbock, RIS for next Christmas, Black Rye IIPA
    Q1 2013: Oktoberfest, IIPA, Saison
    Q2 2013: Hefe, Porter
  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    Thanks. I'll do it tonight.
  • BenvarineBenvarine
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    BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
    Recipe: Hallertau Pale
    Brewer: Ben Grossman
    Asst Brewer:
    Style: American Pale Ale
    TYPE: Extract
    Taste: (30.0)

    Recipe Specifications
    --------------------------
    Boil Size: 6.50 gal
    Post Boil Volume: 4.50 gal
    Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
    Bottling Volume: 4.25 gal
    Estimated OG: 1.054 SG
    Estimated Color: 10.8 SRM
    Estimated IBU: 33.1 IBUs
    Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
    Est Mash Efficiency: 0.0 %
    Boil Time: 60 Minutes

    Ingredients:
    ------------
    Amt Name Type # %/IBU
    1 lbs 8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 1 20.0 %
    6 lbs Light Dry Extract (8.0 SRM) Dry Extract 2 80.0 %
    0.50 oz Magnum [14.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 3 22.1 IBUs
    0.75 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 4 5.1 IBUs
    0.75 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 5 3.8 IBUs
    0.75 oz Hallertauer [4.80 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 6 2.1 IBUs
    1.0 pkg American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) [124.21 Yeast 7 -


    Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
    Total Grain Weight: 7 lbs 8.0 oz
    ----------------------------

    Sparge: Remove grains, and prepare to boil wort
    Notes:
    ------

  • jlwjlw
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    I'll plug this in tomorrow and see what we get.
    On tap:
    Ewald's Altbier
    Bottle:
    Wee Heavy, Black Saison, Hopped Robust Porter, Renegade Rye IPA

    Scheduled 2012: IPA, Eisbock, RIS for next Christmas, Black Rye IIPA
    Q1 2013: Oktoberfest, IIPA, Saison
    Q2 2013: Hefe, Porter
  • C_BC_B
    5010.00 KarmaPosts: 37,424
    At 4.5 gallons post boil with 6lbs of DME (40ppg) I calculate the OG at 1.0533.
    The efficiency is assumed at 0%. 1.5lbs of Crystal 40 should give you .01219ppg at 100% eff which isn't too far out of question if you crush fine in a bag "mashing" in way too much water like I did extract with specialty grain brews.

    This puts you at a theoretical OG of 1.0655.

    I think BS is assuming you are getting no gravity points out of the crystal 40.
    Globe says Erie PA, analytics says Honolulu, it's just CB ~Lakewood
  • ceanntceannt
    29122.00 KarmaPosts: 19,223
    Interesting ..... I at first thought that perhaps the software was applying your efficiency to the DME ..... but nope ..... that would put it in the 40s
    I calculate your recipe to 1.060......
    I agree with the above ... I think it is not including anything from the crystal
    From the sweat of man, and God's love.... beer came into the world
  • ceanntceannt
    29122.00 KarmaPosts: 19,223
    Extract recipes are easy to figure .... do the calculations by hand ...
    From the sweat of man, and God's love.... beer came into the world
  • LakewoodLakewood
    5528.00 KarmaPosts: 37,734
    BS is so bad at recipe formulation it's frightening.
    Baby Charlotte has arrived.
  • ceanntceannt
    29122.00 KarmaPosts: 19,223
    Lakewood said:

    BS is so bad at recipe formulation it's frightening.



    This
    and why the name is appropriate ....
    From the sweat of man, and God's love.... beer came into the world
  • ceanntceannt
    29122.00 KarmaPosts: 19,223
    I am going to post a thread on how to calculate gravity for extract recipes ... using this as an example
    From the sweat of man, and God's love.... beer came into the world
  • LakewoodLakewood
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    ceannt said:

    I am going to post a thread on how to calculate gravity for extract recipes ... using this as an example



    Fantastic!
    Baby Charlotte has arrived.
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